Psy-Kosh comments on Is Morality Given? - Less Wrong
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Obert's arguments seem much closer to "how it feels from the inside", Subhan in general does seem to have stronger actual arguments, however:
"For every kind of stone tablet that you might imagine anywhere, in the trends of the universe or in the structure of logic, you are still left with the question: 'And why obey this morality?'" This, to me, smells of zombieism. "for any configuration of matter/energy/whatever, we can ask 'and why should we believe that this is actually conscious rather than just a structure immitating a consciousness?'"