cleonid comments on Belief in Self-Deception - Less Wrong

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Comment author: cleonid 06 March 2009 12:21:51AM *  3 points [-]

Voltaire, using rationalist arguments, concluded that “if God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him”. So could it be that adhering to facts in all situations is essentially an irrational position?

Consider the following statements:

1) Rational humans (unlike rational AI) should aim to be happy.

2) Rational humans should not believe fanciful notions unsupported by empirical evidence.

3) Empirical studies (e.g. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08031807.html) suggest that humans who believe in such notions are more likely to be happier.

The consequence of the above statements seems to be that a rational human should reject rationality.

Does anyone see flaws in this reasoning?

Comment author: MinibearRex 31 March 2011 10:51:33PM 2 points [-]

3) Empirical studies (e.g. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08031807.html) suggest that humans who believe in such notions are more likely to be happier.

Are they actually happier, or do they just believe that they're happier? ;)

Comment author: Zuckaschnegge 27 April 2012 07:31:36AM *  0 points [-]

What would the actual difference be? You have a subjective view of your emotions (and anything else anyway). so believing you are happy would be the same as being happy, as long as you are not aware of the fact that you are only believing in your happiness.

Comment author: MinibearRex 28 April 2012 10:08:46PM 1 point [-]

I suspect that there is a difference, but I'm not extremely confident of this. It seems to me that a noticeable fraction of the people I've encountered over my life are in decidedly sub-optimal situations, and could with relative simplicity change to a more optimal lifestyle, yet are convinced that their own lifestyle is the best thing ever.