linkhyrule5 comments on Probability is Subjectively Objective - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 30 September 2013 04:58:58PM 0 points [-]

Of course.

Actually, all value (which exists solely inside minds) is not real.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 30 September 2013 05:08:22PM -1 points [-]

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Things that don't exist can't have effects.

Religion is real. God isn't, but the belief-in-god is and has effects.

Value - a shared pattern between brains - is real and has effects.

Comment author: Lumifer 30 September 2013 05:19:42PM 0 points [-]

Look at the quote in the grandparent. For the purpose of this thread I'm using the word "real" in the sense of "existing outside and independently of your mind". By that approach beliefs are not real and sentences "X exists" and "X is real" have very different meanings.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 30 September 2013 10:26:15PM -2 points [-]

If you stop believing in religion, that does not stop fundamentalists from existing.

If you stop thinking money has value, the economy will not collapse.

Even if you don't trust your own brain, a shared meme can still be "real."