PrawnOfFate comments on Whither Moral Progress? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PrawnOfFate 13 April 2013 12:02:20PM 0 points [-]

Realists think claims are made true by facts, not beliefs in facts.

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 April 2013 02:00:13PM *  -1 points [-]

Right, but it depends which facts are true. The answer is contingent on these disputed facts.

ETA: edited for wording.

Comment author: PrawnOfFate 13 April 2013 02:11:09PM 0 points [-]

Sure. Which theory will be believed to be true depends on which facts are believed to be true, and which theory is actually true will depend on which facts are actually true. But beleiving one thing to be true becuae you believe another to be tirue is non argument for relativism, although careless wording can make it seem that way.

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 April 2013 02:31:38PM -1 points [-]

But beleiving one thing to be true becuae you believe another to be tirue is non argument for relativism

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that :( Possibly because I'm misreading the typos?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 13 April 2013 03:50:52PM 0 points [-]

I believe we've established that shminux's position allows for some models to be made more accurate than others by events, not beliefs in events. I think these two positions are analogous.

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 April 2013 04:23:24PM -1 points [-]

Different conversation ;)

We're talking about moral realism here, sort of.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 13 April 2013 04:25:18PM 1 point [-]

Whoops! You're entirely right; I should have read the parent-tree before responding, but I was confident that I knew what the conversation was. Retracted.