whowhowho comments on Humans in Funny Suits - Less Wrong

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 30 July 2008 11:54PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (128)

Sort By: Old

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 27 January 2013 10:15:09PM 3 points [-]

If anything, racism focuses on an unimportant but obvious difference that is perceived as tied to non-obvious but important differences. Nothing crazy about that. Surely you've heard about the weak correlation between height and IQ?

Also, while I realize that white/black is the prevalent form of racism in America, it certainly isn't the only one. For example, there's a lot of racism involved between Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese. Slightly more difficult to find any difference there.

Comment author: whowhowho 28 January 2013 03:01:02AM *  -1 points [-]

The non-obvious differences can still be ascertained -- it is not as if one has to get there via the superficial differences.

Surely you've heard about the weak correlation between height and IQ?

It's a weak correlation. if I wanted to ascertain someome's intellgece formally, i'd use therir academic record, or an IQ test. if I wanted to do so informally, I'd talk to them. If all I had to go on was their height or skin colour, I would suspend judgement, because the infomation is too weak to be worthwhile. I dont want false confidence.

But racists do it the other way round. They argue that Bush is smarter than Obama just because he is white (Someone actually said that to me)..They don't even bother paying attention to the way the two men speak. They discard higher quality information in favour of lower.

Also, while I realize that white/black is the prevalent form of racism in America, it certainly isn't the only one. For example, there's a lot of racism involved between Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese. Slightly more difficult to find any difference there.

If it's not superficial, its not racisim: its xenophobia. The various Balkan factions hate each other just fine even though outsiders can't detect the differences

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 28 January 2013 01:20:33PM 1 point [-]

Equating racism with discrimination based on skin colour and calling all other forms xenophobia will only make you confused.

Many species are divided into taxonomical subspecies (races) which clearly differ in terms of intelligence, or aggression, or sociality, or whatever. The question isn't whether races are different, but whether homo sapiens can reasonably be divided into such subspecies. That's a scientific question, but several of your statements such as "racism is crazy" and "if it's not superficial, it's not racism" strike me as naïve and motivated by some weird sense of moral superiority instead.

Comment author: whowhowho 28 January 2013 02:00:05PM -2 points [-]

That's a scientific question,

Then quote the science.

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 28 January 2013 02:23:19PM 0 points [-]

I don't understand what you want me to quote, or why. Can you be more specific?

Comment author: whowhowho 28 January 2013 02:25:08PM -2 points [-]

"The question isn't whether races are different, but whether homo sapiens can reasonably be divided into such subspecies. "

Well.can it?

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 28 January 2013 02:42:45PM 0 points [-]

Current scientific consensus amongst those who seem to be the least driven by ideological agenda is "no", except of course if you talk about extinct subspecies. Surely you know this?