Psy-Kosh comments on Sorting Pebbles Into Correct Heaps - Less Wrong

75 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 August 2008 01:00AM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 02 March 2013 12:59:39AM 3 points [-]

I'm startled by this comment.

I mean, I understand that it was the thing to do that Pebblesorters would endorse, that part isn't startling, but I didn't think you endorsed that "Pebblesorter::(should, right, moral, etc.)" way of speaking.

Does this reflect a change in your position, or have I misunderstood you on this all along?

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 02 March 2013 05:30:38AM -2 points [-]

He wasn't endorsing that position. He was saying "pebblesorters should not do so, but they pebblesorter::should do so."

ie, "should" and "pebblesorter::should" are two different concepts. "should" appeals to that which is moral, "pebblesorter::should" appeals to that which is prime. The pebblesorters should not have killed him, but they pebblesorter::should have killed them.

Think of it this way: imagine the murdermax function that scores states/histories of reality based on how many people were murdered. Then people shouldn't be murdered, but they murdermax::should be murdered. This is not an endorsement of doing what one murdermax::should do. Not at all. Doing the murdermax thing is bad.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 March 2013 05:37:17AM 5 points [-]

He wasn't endorsing that position. He was saying "pebblesorters should not do so, but they pebblesorter::should do so."

You didn't understand what TheOtherDave said. He was talking about the same usage you are talking about and commenting that it is in contrast to Eliezer's past usage (and past advocacy of usage in conversations about how he uses should-related words.)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 02 March 2013 12:24:37PM 4 points [-]

My name is TheOtherDave and I endorse this comment.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 07 March 2013 12:34:08AM 1 point [-]

Ah, whoops.