timtyler comments on Moral Error and Moral Disagreement - Less Wrong

14 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 August 2008 11:32PM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 November 2010 08:29:45AM 8 points [-]

Eliezer appears to be asserting that CEV<someone> is equal for all humans. His arguments leave something to be desired. In particular, this is an assertion about human psychology, and requires evidence that is entangled with reality.

Leaving aside the question of whether even a single human's volition can be extrapolated into a unique coherent utility function, this assertion has two major components:

1) humans are sufficiently altruistic that say CEV<Alice> doesn't in any way favor Alice over Bob.

2) humans are sufficiently similar that any apparent moral disagreement between Alice and Bob is caused by one or both having false beliefs about the physical world.

I find both these statements dubious, especially the first, since I see on reason why evolution would make us that altruistic.

Comment author: timtyler 20 November 2010 10:16:04AM 1 point [-]

Eliezer appears to be asserting that CEV<someone> is equal for all humans.

The "C" in "CEV" stands for "Coherent". The concept refers to techniques of combining the wills of a bunch of agents. The idea is not normally applied to a population consisting of single human. That would just be EV<someone>. I am not aware of any evidence that Yu-El thinks that EV<someone> is independent of the <someone>.