Boyi comments on Ends Don't Justify Means (Among Humans) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Boyi 05 December 2011 09:18:47PM *  0 points [-]

So you are saying the hardware of genes that has fueled the movement of life, and must embryologically exist within the human structure, is a hinderance to the structure of the social animal?

Comment author: gwern 05 December 2011 09:29:00PM 0 points [-]

Genes give rise to the sociality in the first place; this is one of the paradoxes of trying to fight one's genes, as it were. It's hairy meta-ethics: where do your desires and morals come from and what justifies them?

Comment author: Boyi 05 December 2011 09:36:23PM 1 point [-]

I don't think morality should be segregated from desire. I realize that Freud's concept of drives is at this point in time obsolete, but if there were "drives" it would not be a sex, aggression, or hunger drive that dominated the human animal, but a belonging drive. In my opinion it does not matter where the hardware comes from, what is important is an intimacy with its function. I think for too long there has been a false dichotomy constructed between morals and desires.

as to the question of meta-ethics, I would apply the works of E. O Wilson or Joseph Tainter to the construction of a more humane humanity.