waveman comments on Ethical Injunctions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Roland2 21 October 2008 02:54:56AM 5 points [-]

@Tom McCabe: I would have answered "yes"; eg., I would have set off a bomb in Hitler's car in 1942, even if Hitler was surrounded by babies. This doesn't seem to be a case of corruption by unethical hardware; the benefit to *me* from setting off such a bomb is quite negative, as it greatly increases my chance of being tortured to death by the SS.

It's easy to talk now about it, harder if you actually lived in Germany at that time and had to really fear the SS. Are you american? If yes did you consider the fact that the actual political situation in the states has a lot of similarities with Nazi-Germany?

As for killing Hitler you have a few hidden assumptions in there like: -killing him would actually stop the war and/or the killing of the jews.

For me it seems you have fallen for the simplification that Hitler is the personification of evil and so you failed to understand the complexity of the political situation at that time.

Comment author: waveman 25 June 2016 07:13:11AM 0 points [-]

It's easy to talk now about it, harder if you actually lived in Germany at that time and had to really fear the SS.

Indeed. I remember an IT project manager telling me the German people should have stood up to Hitler and stopped him. I pointed out that she was not even prepared to tell her manager the truth about the state of her project (running later than advertised of course).

All she had at stake was the size of her end of year bonus.

I remember reading about a man who voted against Hitler in the referendum to make him dictator. He was severely beaten, his house was burned down, and he wife and daughter were gang-raped.

Comment author: Jiro 25 June 2016 08:39:58PM 1 point [-]

The penalty for telling the truth about the state of your project is less than the penalty for defying Hitler, but the good done by telling the truth about the state of your project is also less than the good done by defying Hitler.

Comment author: waveman 26 June 2016 03:10:21AM *  0 points [-]

That is true. Whether higher stakes* would give her more courage, I doubt, but it is possible.

( * It was not entirely clear until it was too late, if you look at the people who had nice things to say about Hitler early on. The number of people int he resistance during the war (as opposed to after the war, in retrospect) was not very high. I am not suggesting I would have been one of those who took arms against him).

Anthony Beevor's book Dresden has a good description of what happened to people who opposed Hitler.

Comment author: ChristianKl 26 June 2016 10:32:13AM 0 points [-]

The penalty for telling the truth about the state of your project is less than the penalty for defying Hitler, but the good done by telling the truth about the state of your project is also less than the good done by defying Hitler.

For most people the good done by defying Hitler isn't that great. One individual more or less doesn't make a huge difference.