wedrifid comments on Mundane Magic - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 19 December 2010 03:17:49PM 1 point [-]

Once you have redefined "absolutely zero evidence" to mean "too small for it to be worthwhile for humans to consider it" precisely what language can you use to describe things that, you know, aren't evidence?

True. The balancing concern is that, in the case of "too small to be worthwhile", we want people to not consider it, and there are strong biases that make people consider it a la but there's still a chance! If anything less than "absolutely zero evidence" lets people consider evidence - and overestimating the evidence is worse than underestimating it - then it is preferred language. In that case, it would share the same language as things that aren't evidence at all.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 December 2010 03:32:25PM 1 point [-]

The balancing concern is that, in the case of "too small to be worthwhile", we want people to not consider it, and there are strong biases that make people consider it a la but there's still a chance! If anything less than "absolutely zero evidence" lets people consider evidence - and overestimating the evidence is worse than underestimating it - then it is preferred language.

Controlling behavior by removing the ability to express concepts. Lets call this new language 'newspeak'. :)

Comment author: shokwave 19 December 2010 03:38:38PM 11 points [-]

If newspeak increases my utility in dealing with certain agents, I desire to speak in newspeak to them. If newspeak decreases my utility in dealing with certain agents, I desire to speak normally to them. Let me not become attached to the perception of newspeak as intrinsically evil.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 December 2010 03:56:02PM 0 points [-]

I too do all sorts of things with other agents that do not necessarily involve accurate communication. Violence and dirty talk spring to mind as a couple of examples.