shokwave comments on You Only Live Twice - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AlephNeil 03 February 2011 12:06:40AM *  1 point [-]

If you care about having children, why not do both?

I think the resources spent on cryonically preserving yourself would be better spent on other things. Yes, one of those things is "having children and raising them properly", but it seems likely that one would soon see diminishing returns if one 'overinvested' in one's children. Happily, there are plenty of other worthy causes to take up the slack e.g. donating money to charity, building a garden shed, putting extra insulation in your loft, etc.

Actually, I think cryonically preserving yourself has negative value unless there's some way in which you will be 'interesting' or 'useful' to future generations. For some people this will be true, but not very many.

I think that if people could somehow 'stand back' from their own biased perspective on the world, they would realize that there isn't anything preferable about "one of the people in the far future having distant memories of being me" as opposed to "no-one in the far future having such memories."

That's not nearly true.

Aye. I wasn't thinking when I wrote that bit, so as you can see, I've edited my original comment.

Comment author: shokwave 03 February 2011 12:29:23PM 1 point [-]

I think that if people could somehow 'stand back' from their own biased perspective on the world,

I don't see why this is a good idea. Why would anyone want to abandon their own perspective?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 03 February 2011 03:16:34PM *  0 points [-]

You might want to improve your perspective-providing heuristics (you'll do so from your own perspective, inevitably, although that's not a reason to approve of this necessity, and could be a reason to do something else instead of attempting to improve the heuristics with the imprecise instrument of those heuristics).

Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 03 February 2011 07:20:36PM *  4 points [-]

Abandoning one's perspective isn't the same thing as abandoning one's values (as I interpret the words). For example, in the default human perspective, it's natural to be indifferent to other people's experiences: we don't care if others are suffering, as long as we're doing okay. But from a more global perspective, this is kind of bizarre: the experience is still there even if it's not you who's experiencing it, for the same reason the world doesn't actually go dark when you close your eyes.

Comment author: shokwave 03 February 2011 10:44:14PM 0 points [-]

they would realize that there isn't anything preferable about "one of the people in the far future having distant memories of being me" as opposed to "no-one in the far future having such memories."

This sounds like a value, though. I interpreted your comment as saying "if people stood back from their perspectives, they would see their values aren't preferable".

Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 03 February 2011 11:31:36PM *  1 point [-]

This sounds like a value, though.

I agree.

I interpreted your comment

Note that I am not AlephNeil; I assumed your question wasn't necessarily directed at him specifically.

Comment author: shokwave 04 February 2011 05:17:35AM 2 points [-]

Foiled by the anti-kibitzer!