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39 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 January 2009 11:49PM

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Comment author: gwern 05 June 2012 11:54:35PM 3 points [-]

'Caring', whatever that is, doesn't have to involve 'pain'. I care about many things that do not trigger pain neurons.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2012 08:11:31AM -1 points [-]

Now there's one for "Shit Rationalists Say."

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2012 05:00:54PM -2 points [-]

Having reread your reply several times, I still have no idea how it is related to what I said.

Comment author: JGWeissman 06 June 2012 05:28:37PM 1 point [-]

You are a much more powerful consequentialist than our evolutionary ancestors which first evolved pain. They probably couldn't care about avoiding events which had not previously caused them pain.

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2012 05:39:54PM 0 points [-]

I am also an animal.

Comment author: JGWeissman 06 June 2012 05:44:24PM 2 points [-]

You are an animal of the first species to invent computers. You have superpowers not posessed by other animals.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2012 08:38:19PM 1 point [-]

So pain asymbolia means something else than “being able to feel pain but not caring about it”?

Comment author: CuSithBell 06 June 2012 08:41:18PM 0 points [-]

It means "being able to feel pain but not suffering from it."

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2012 09:40:34PM 1 point [-]

Where “pain” and “suffering” are defined, respectively, as... what?

Comment author: CuSithBell 06 June 2012 11:42:09PM 1 point [-]

Roughly, pain is a sensation typically associated with damage to the body, suffering is an experience of stimuli as intrinsically unpleasant.

I do not suffer if my room is painted a color I do not like, but I still may care about the color my room is painted.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 June 2012 11:59:13PM 0 points [-]

Roughly, pain is a sensation typically associated with damage to the body, suffering is an experience of stimuli as intrinsically unpleasant.

Agree, with the assumption that "stimuli" as relevant to suffering includes internal stimuli generated from one's own thoughts.

Comment author: CuSithBell 07 June 2012 03:17:28AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, that's certainly a fair clarification. It'd probably take a lot more space to give a really robust definition of "suffering", but that's close enough for gummint work.

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2012 10:39:28PM 0 points [-]

"When pain does not hurt"