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Perplexed comments on Building Weirdtopia - Less Wrong

28 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 January 2009 08:35PM

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Comment author: Perplexed 16 December 2010 04:41:15PM 3 points [-]

So, you can undo progress made in other people's minds, just not your own? Or does everyone remember what they learned in those alternative realities.

I don't know about you, but most of the time when I find myself wishing I had an "undo button", it is other people's memories of my mistakes that I really want to erase.

Comment author: Alicorn 16 December 2010 04:49:16PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, including other people's memories. And if you rewind to before some younger person's conception, you can prevent their existence outright should you take the relevant actions.

Comment author: Perplexed 16 December 2010 05:23:31PM 13 points [-]

So in a world with only two people, both determined to win at paper, stone, scissors, you risk an infinite cycle and may never get to 5 minutes of simulated time.

Comment author: Alicorn 16 December 2010 05:25:55PM *  4 points [-]

Well, yes, that could happen.

Comment author: benelliott 17 December 2010 05:47:35PM 4 points [-]

Perhaps you only have a set number of tries before you just have to accept what happens. This might actually be an improvement, since while it would definitely be nice to redo my worst mistakes and to experiment before trying something difficult, life might get a bit meaningless if there were never any permanent consequences to anything.

Comment author: Strange7 18 December 2010 12:43:34AM 2 points [-]

In that sense, it would be a world where sufficient willpower (in the sense of boredom-resistance) really can achieve nearly anything.

Comment author: Perplexed 18 December 2010 12:49:47AM 2 points [-]

Or if not achieve something, at least prevent the other guy from achieving anything.

However, in this scenario, it doesn't take much willpower. Every time someone pushes 'reset', (s)he thinks it is the first time the button has been pushed.

So it requires determinism, not determination, to keep on doing what you did before. ;)

Comment author: Strange7 18 December 2010 09:37:43PM 1 point [-]

Only if each reset went back further than the other player's last reset, which obviously isn't a stable equilibrium.