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KND comments on Building Weirdtopia - Less Wrong

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Comment author: KND 30 August 2011 08:35:12AM -1 points [-]

Government Weirdtopia: all nations operate as divisions of a single organization. these subdivisions are further divided into even smaller divisions which are also divided in turn. This pattern continues until it reaches the point of bands approximately the size of hunter-gatherer bands so as to allow full optimization of social relations. each band exerts major control over issues of concern, as well as weaker influence over matters concerning other bands, thus allowing any band to be overruled if it strays too far from what its neighbors consider rational. Bands exert more influence over other communities in nearby locations than those in distant lands. the exception to this is that a community will hold more influence over several communities a random distance anywhere above 2000 miles away than over communities in its immediate vicinity. citizens of one community will be encouraged to simultaneously view neighboring communities as both separate nations and neighboring towns. Any citizen can change the world with a good enough idea that spreads far enough, however more weight shall be given to the opinions of those deemed more trustworthy through carefully administered and highly organized tests designed to test wisdom and competence. Groups of representatives meet to decide issues concerning larger areas, however these representatives must first be proved highly trustworthy and the positions are low paying and temporary, so as to eliminate corruption and ensure that only competent citizens who are truly concerned over the state of the world can hold any real power of much difference from their neighbors.

in this way all states will have complete authority and the power to act swiftly only while making rational decisions, while at the same time being completely restricted when making decisions that can be construed as foolish or malicious. and i DARE someone here to think further outside the box on this issue.

Comment author: Alicorn 30 August 2011 08:58:55AM 0 points [-]

Er, I have no comment on whether this is a good idea, but what makes it a weird idea?

Comment author: Kingreaper 30 August 2011 09:45:56AM 3 points [-]

the exception to this is that a community will hold more influence over several communities a random distance anywhere above 2000 miles away than over communities in its immediate vicinity.

To me, that's the bit that makes it a weird idea. Other than that, it seems like a relatively standard thought pattern (basically, competence tests for voting+ repetitive subdivision of society)

And the weird bit actually seems like a good hack to add on to a repetitive subdivision structure; provided that it's a twinning thing, and not a one-way influence (one-way influence will produce resentment)

It is not, however, the weirdest thing on this discussion, let alone the weirdest idea possible.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 30 August 2011 09:30:52AM 0 points [-]

i DARE someone here to think further outside the box on this issue.

See: P. K. Dick's Solar Lottery (coincidently one of my favourite books).

Comment author: Kingreaper 30 August 2011 09:52:57AM 2 points [-]

I have downvoted this for two reasons: 1. it seems poorly formatted; being essentially a block of text.*

*this may have been accidental, for future information you must leave a two-line gap between separate paragraphs.

and 2. you display a level of arrogance in assuming that your idea is the most original idea available to this community. That is especially jarring as equally original ideas are posted in many of the other comments on this article.

Comment author: lessdazed 30 August 2011 10:26:07AM *  -1 points [-]

someone here

Me too, specifically, I dare you!

As hard as it is to come up with good solutions to problems, starting from scratch and ignoring what you already thought of is even harder. You're not done once you answered once only (by the way, I haven't thought of one at all). KND 8:35:12 thought of something, has KND 8:40?

This isn't an Olympic event where you can only win one medal; the same person could win the silver and the gold in this, unlike in the 100 meter dash...not that it's a competition.

One entry per person makes more sense if the goal is to see which person has the best idea(s), as a status thing, but if the goal is to produce and discuss ideas, it doesn't have to be limited to that.