CronoDAS comments on Epilogue: Atonement (8/8) - Less Wrong

33 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 February 2009 11:52AM

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Comment author: RobinZ 19 November 2009 02:49:21AM 0 points [-]

TV Tropes probably has a term for this but I'm not looking it up.

Probably "Just In Time", although the page seems to have suffered a bit of decay.

Comment author: CronoDAS 19 November 2009 03:01:44AM *  0 points [-]

"Reality Ensues" is the trope Eliezer used. I'm not sure what the Defied Trope was, though.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 November 2009 03:05:04AM 1 point [-]

I said Just In Time because that's the trope Eliezer was subverting by having the ships miss the deadline.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 November 2009 03:10:55AM 4 points [-]

well, it's not in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThreeWorldsCollide so you know what to do...

(I haven't ever edited this page myself for obvious reasons)

Comment author: RobinZ 19 November 2009 03:15:56AM 0 points [-]

Done. (On reflection, it's less subversion than deconstruction in TV Tropes vocabulary.)

Comment author: CronoDAS 19 November 2009 03:53:21AM *  1 point [-]

There's no rule against it on the TV Tropes Wiki. In fact, there's a whole category for Troper Works. However, if you just don't want to have TV Tropes Ruin Your Life, I won't blame you for staying out.

Comment author: Alicorn 19 November 2009 03:58:29AM *  1 point [-]

I thought it was considered tacky to mess with entries for your own things on wikis? (If it's not, time to go spam TV Tropes with links to my stuff... traffic, sweet traffic...)

Comment author: kpreid 19 November 2009 04:23:51AM 3 points [-]

wikis ≠ Wikipedia

Comment author: CronoDAS 19 November 2009 04:24:36AM *  0 points [-]

TV Tropes is a buttload more informal than That Other Wiki. ;)

Go ahead and link away!

Comment author: CannibalSmith 19 November 2009 05:58:05AM 1 point [-]

I'd say it's kind of an achievement to have something written about you in a wiki by someone who aren't you.

Comment author: Pavitra 19 November 2009 06:25:15AM 0 points [-]

Strictly speaking, it's a signal of an achievement. It provides lots of warm fuzzies, but basically no utilons (beyond those intrinsic to the achievement it signals).

Comment author: wedrifid 19 November 2009 07:56:27AM 1 point [-]

Strictly speaking, it's a signal of an achievement. It provides lots of warm fuzzies, but basically no utilons (beyond those intrinsic to the achievement it signals).

I think this 'strict' use is a distortion of the concept of achievement. This kind achievement is very similar in nature to other achievements and for most part, yes, the part we call an 'achievement' is primarily signal, with any utility beyond that just a bonus.

Comment author: Pavitra 21 November 2009 09:29:34AM 0 points [-]

If you're using 'achievement' in the video game sense, sure. I assumed that 'achievement' meant achieving something that mattered; that is, utility.

It's probably good cognitive hygiene to keep the two as clearly distinct as feasible.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 November 2009 03:59:40AM 0 points [-]

Is EY a troper? I haven't been looking.

Comment author: Blueberry 19 November 2009 04:19:28AM -2 points [-]

Tropers are equal to awesomeness, and EY is equal to awesomeness. So yes.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 November 2009 07:52:18AM 0 points [-]

Here I was assuming that tvtropes was about, well, TV.