TheOtherDave comments on Epilogue: Atonement (8/8) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: staticIP 18 March 2012 02:21:40AM 2 points [-]

Morals are axioms. They're ultimately arbitrary. Relying on arguments with logic and reason for deciding the axioms of your morals is silly, go with what feels right. Then use logic and reason to best actualize on those beliefs. Try to trace morality too far down and you'll realize it's all ultimately pointless, or at least there's no single truth to the matter.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 18 March 2012 02:45:30AM 4 points [-]

Morals can be axioms, I suppose, but IME what many of us have as object-level "morals" are instead the sorts of cached results that could in principle be derived from axioms. Often, those morals are inconsistent with one another; in those cases using logic and reason to actualize them leads at best to tradeoffs, more often to self-defeating cycles as I switch from one so-called "axiom" to another, sometimes to utter paralysis as these "axioms" come into conflict.

An alternative to that is to analyze my own morality and edit it (insofar as possible) for consistency.

You're welcome to treat your moral instincts as ineluctable primitives if you wish, of course, but it's not clear to me that I ought to.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 14 August 2012 06:45:41PM *  0 points [-]

it's not clear to me that I ought to.

The desire to have a set of morals that derive from consistent axioms can be considered an "ineluctable" as well. It's simply that your preference to have consistent morals in some cases overrides your other ineluctable preferences...and this conflict is another instance of the paralysis you mentioned.

The morals are indeed cached results...they are the best approximation of the morals that would have been most useful for propagating your genes in the ancestral environment that the combination of evolution and natural selection could come up with.