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Comment author: MrHen 01 June 2009 02:10:42PM 0 points [-]

[A] piece of fiction has to conform to certain popular prejudices entertained by tens of millions of idiots in order to have a really big fan base.

I am listening, but not agreeing quite yet. What are the prejudices in Star Wars or Star Trek?

Restating your point in different words: Popular prejudice is conducive to having lots of fans and the more fans you have the more fanatics will be in the fanbase. "Bad" creeps in because of the popular prejudice.

This makes sense, but going the other way sure doesn't: Having a set of fanatics does not imply a large fan base, nor does it imply lots of popular prejudices.

I also claim that something can have a large fan base without popular prejudices and something can have popular prejudices without having a fan base. I do agree that with a bigger pool of fans you are probably picking up more fanatics.

So, yeah, I guess the loose correlation makes sense. But it is right?

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Comment author: MrHen 01 June 2009 05:26:51PM 0 points [-]

Mmm... I am not happy pointing at a specifically designed premise of a series as a prejudice. Attacking The Force as prejudice seems petty.

That being said, I could see your comment making more sense from the perspective of, "People who really, actually think you tap into some cosmic life-force by sheer effort of will will flock to Star Wars because of The Force." I really doubt that was the intent of adding The Force to Star Wars.

You could make the same claim about The Matrix. But really?