Douglas_Knight comments on Image vs. Impact: Can public commitment be counterproductive for achievement? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: loqi 30 May 2009 05:44:07PM *  0 points [-]

That does make some intuitive sense given this result, but it also runs counter to the more general failure of celibacy pledges I recall reading about (Google fished a related story here). Can you provide a citation?

Incidentally, I find it interesting that pledge-breakers are less likely to be prepared (less use of birth control and condoms) for extramarital sex when they have it anyway. Seems like a clear example of motivational self-deception interfering with rational planning.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 31 May 2009 04:07:54AM 0 points [-]

My impression is that celibacy pledges do something, although maybe not abstinence education, but I don't trust much of what I read, since it's so politicized. The article you link to says that it doesn't prevent sex before marriage, but that's a pretty high bar. The paper I was talking about (I added a citation above) says that it delays sex by 18 months; that just doesn't get you past marriage. Here is a paper that claims pledges do nothing, that earlier results didn't control for enough.

Let's not worry about absolute effect and instead look for robust results. I think it's robust that seeking abstinence leads to less birth control and a higher ratio of STDs to pregnancies. Also, the point of my original claim, about embattled minorities, is robust to that kind of selection bias.