alvarojabril comments on A social norm against unjustified opinions? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 30 May 2009 12:18:16AM 5 points [-]

It seems that in this article, Robin is co-defining "opinion" with "belief". This isn't, exactly, incorrect, but I don't think it maps completely onto the common use, which may be causing misunderstanding. If I say "it's my opinion that [insert factual proposition here]", then Robin's remarks certainly apply. But if it's my opinion that chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream is delicious - which is certainly a way people often use the word "opinion" - then in what way might I not be entitled to that? Unless I turn out to be mistaken in my use of the term "chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream", or something, but assume I'm not.

Comment author: alvarojabril 30 May 2009 12:26:31AM 1 point [-]

Thank you. An opinion is a thought. What does it mean to say that you are not entitled to a thought?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 30 May 2009 12:38:36AM 5 points [-]

In this case, it means that you're not entitled to refuse to change a belief that's been proven wrong.

If you think "everyone likes chocolate ice cream", and I introduce you to my hypothetical friend Bill who doesn't like chocolate ice cream, you're not entitled to still believe that 'everyone' likes chocolate ice cream. You could still believe that 'most people' like chocolate ice cream, but if I was able to come up with a competent survey showing that 51% of people do not like chocolate ice cream, you wouldn't be entitled to that belief, either, unless you could point me to an even more definitive study that agreed with you.

Even the belief "I like chocolate ice cream" could be proven false in some situations - peoples' tastes do change over time, and you could try it one summer and discover that you just don't enjoy it any more.

It also implies that you're supposed to go looking for proof of your claims before you make them - that you're not 'entitled' to have or spread an opinion, but instead must earn the right by doing or referencing research.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 30 May 2009 12:54:47AM 0 points [-]

(And I agree with the two posters in the other comment-branches who pointed out that it's a poor wording.)