loqi comments on A social norm against unjustified opinions? - Less Wrong

11 Post author: Kaj_Sotala 29 May 2009 11:25AM

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Comment author: Annoyance 29 May 2009 06:44:12PM 8 points [-]

Most people don't derive their conclusions from reasons. They establish conclusions, then go searching for 'reasons' to cite.

Asking for the reasons for the conclusion, in a way that indicates the conclusion ought to follow from them, is perceived by most people as an attack.

The only way not to risk receiving an unpleasant reaction is to avoid talking to such people.

Comment author: loqi 30 May 2009 06:14:47PM 0 points [-]

They establish conclusions, then go searching for 'reasons' to cite.

And worse, they can cite completely incoherent "reasons", which can be observed by noting that the sequence resulting from repeated application of "what do you mean by X" basically diverges. It reminds me of the value "bottom" in a lifted type system. It denotes an informationless "result", such as that of a non-terminating computation.