LessWrong Context:

I didn’t want to write this.

Not for lack of courage—I’d meme-storm Putin’s Instagram if given half a chance. But why?

  1. Too personal.
  2. My stories are tropical chaos: I survived the Brazilian BOPE (think Marine Corps training, but post-COVID).
  3. I’m dyslexic, writing in English (a crime against Grice).
  4. This is LessWrong, not some Deep Web Reddit thread.

Okay, maybe a little lack of courage.

And yet, something can be extracted from all this madness, right?

Then comes someone named Gwern. He completely ignores my thesis and simply asks:
"Tell military firefighter stories."

My first instinct was to dismiss him as an oddball—until a friend told me I was dealing with a legend of rationality. I have to admit: I nearly shit myself. His comment got more likes than the post I’d spent years working on.

Someone with, what, a 152 IQ wanted my accounts of surviving bureaucratic military hell? And I’m the same guy who applies scientific rigor to Pokémon analysis?

I didn’t want to expose my ass in LessWrong, but here we are. So, I decided to grant his request with a story that blends military rigidity with... well, whatever it is I do—though the result might be closer to Captain Caveman than Sun Tzu.


Firefighter Context:

Brazilian military firefighters are first and foremost soldiers. Their training is built on four pillars: first aid, rescue, firefighting, and aquatic survival.

We were in the jungle, undergoing a rescue training exercise with no food, alongside the BOPE—Brazil’s elite force, notorious for their grueling training and for carrying a skull-and-dagger emblem. Wherever they go, they shout their motto:
“Knife in the skull!”


The Knife:

After a week without food, they released animals into the jungle. The female recruits had to hunt, and they managed to kill a rabbit with a single clubbing blow—its eye popped out. Then they turned to me:

“Brito! Are you ‘knife in the skull?’”
“I’m knife in the hose, sir!”
“But… doesn’t a knife in the hose puncture the hose?”
“And doesn’t a knife in the skull puncture the skull?”
(Some laughter)
“Then prove you’re ‘knife’ and eat this rabbit’s eye raw!”

So, channeling the most primal, savage creature I knew, I swallowed the eye and croaked out: “My preciousssss!” Smigle from The Lord of the Rings

Later, during formation, another superior addressed my squad:
“We need more firefighters like this—who throw their whole bodies into following orders and still manage to have fun.”
Then he turned to me:
“Brito, what did the rabbit’s eye taste like?”
“I don’t think the rabbit was very happy, sir. It tasted like tears.”

Simultaneously, I:

a) Completed the tribal ritual
b) Avoided malnutrition


So

After taking plenty of hits from the military and with the help of two friends, I shifted back toward the rational side. Nowadays, solving complex problems through mathematics feels wilder to me than anything I ever faced was a military.

Well, this was one of my middle-ground stories—not the most logical, not the most brutal.
Should I continue with something heavier on pathos or logos?

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Upvoted for you posting it at all. I think these stories can be a great window into a culture I don't understand even a little. Whatever you decide to post in the future, it would be great to get your reflections on why you chose a particular story, what it means to you, that kind of thing.

Thanks! My goal with this story was to talk about a time when I was running away from rationality. Back then, I thought the adrenaline of military life was the real deal—the peak of intensity. But looking back, it was nothing compared to the kind of thrill I get from tackling complex problems with mathematics.

Thanks for this short story! I have so many questions.

  1. This was during training camp? How many days/weeks/month in was this?
  2. How many people went through this training camp with you? Are you still friends with any of them?
  3. How long was training, and then how long did you serve as a professional?
  4. I encourage any links you have to content about these folks in future stories. I had to check the Wikipedia page before I fully believed that the logo was a skull with knife through it.

Yes, I would be interested in reading another story about your time there. This story gave me some insight into the context, I think I would like something heavier on the logos, but I'd be happy with either.

Ben, my brother in chaos, you’re about to unlock Level 2 of my military lore. 

Training duration:

Imagine a Brazilian telenovela directed by Bear Grylls—1 year total, culminating in a final jungle camp (but with more mosquito-borne diseases).

Cast of characters:

Around 120 firefighters, split into four platoons.

My origin story:

I trained for nine years just to get in—which is ironic, considering I was an asthmatic allergic to:

  • Pollen
  • Military hierarchy
  • Taking life seriously

But first—somes links to you:

That time I almost got arrested for teaching CPR:
 

Because of that, I ended up working on projects like this:
Could My Work Beyond ‘Haha’ Benefit the LessWrong Community?

It wasn’t easy. I even failed the Brazilian Marines’ physical for... acne (true story!). Apparently, making enemy forces too scared wasn’t part of the strategic doctrine.

Want to understand BOPE?

Watch Elite Squad 1 & 2. Their training makes ours look like My Little Pony: Rescue Brigade. Fair warning—their version of "team building" involves fewer beach barbecues and more interrogating drug lords.

Thanks Lucie Philippon! Follow the video

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Yes please, more please!

Your writing is more enjoyable than that of many native English speakers, and I am one.

Will you do a sequence with more stories?

Tell them the way that's fun to tell, like here, and they leak rationality. The "systematized winning" kind, because it's all rooted in finding ways not to die in situations where statistics would suggest you really ought to.

I'm grateful for your kind words, especially coming from someone who truly appreciates rationality. And that comment—"Your writing is more enjoyable than that of many native English speakers, and I am one"—is just so, so, so sweet!

Maybe my next story is going deeper into logos. Some about "How I Almost Got Arrested for Teaching CPR (And Why ‘Staying Alive’ Could Be Ironic)"—a.k.a. 
How to Save Lives & Offend Generals
 I've even got a video of my classes at the military school for you. Cheers, and thanks again for the encouragement!

Should I continue


Please do!

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