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Comment author: morganism 19 March 2018 08:36:20PM 1 point [-]

Artificial data give the same results as real data — without compromising privacy


"“Once we model an entire database, we can sample and recreate a synthetic version of the data that very much looks like the original database, statistically speaking,” says Veeramachaneni. “If the original database has some missing values and some noise in it, we also embed that noise in the synthetic version… In a way, we are using machine learning to enable machine learning.”

Comment author: gwern 19 March 2018 01:02:54AM *  0 points [-]

No idea. Some Google Scholar checks turns up nothing.

Comment author: bogus 18 March 2018 07:18:30PM *  0 points [-]

Thanks! Do you plan to add support for the new-to-LW2 "log in with LW1 credentials" flow? It seems to need some special-cased client-side support, according to this post - I suppose you can check out the related commits on LW2 code for the details of how to make it work! (Logging in and participating on LW2 itself is still unbearably slow for lower-powered devices-- and I'm not willing to go through the whole prospect of having to change (or worse, "reset") my credentials there in order to make them usable on GreaterWrong-- at least, not unless I hear back from multiple users who have done this with no issues!)

Comment author: casebash 18 March 2018 02:08:02PM 0 points [-]

I don't think there is anything stopping you from trying to create a test LW2 account to see if you will be locked out

Comment author: casebash 18 March 2018 02:06:31PM 0 points [-]

Have you seen the notifications up the top right? Does that do what you want?

Comment author: saturn 18 March 2018 01:41:33AM 0 points [-]

I've now added password reset capability to GreaterWrong.

Comment author: bogus 17 March 2018 03:53:35AM *  0 points [-]

Indeed, it's working properly with the show=posts and show=comments URL parameters, and no content seems to be lost. Great news, but that was definitely non-obvious - thanks! (I'd naïvely assumed that if the individual chronological listings were available, that the combined listing would be built by searching for offset_posts and offset_comments such that offset_posts + offset_comments = offset, and the timestamps for the post at offset_posts and comment at offset_comments are as close as possible. Shouldn't require more than log(N) reqs in the worst case - far less than that typically. But perhaps there's some snag that makes this approach unworkable!)

Perhaps a notice should be added to the "combined" user pages to the effect that the 'Posts' and 'Comments' options may be preferable for some uses.

ETA: There seems to be some remaining edge cases around comments on deleted posts, or something like that. In LW1, you get a permlink to the comment from the user page, and can then browse the individual thread. Greater Wrong does not have a notion of viewing a single thread or anything similar, so it tries to get data about the post as a whole, fails, and clicking on the link to the post returns an error page. I have not investigated what LW2 does. This is a very minor issue overall of course. I mention it mostly because I'm wondering how it impacts preservation of e.g. the original discussions about the LW basilisk, which were on a now-deleted page.
(Yes, some comments - including e.g. Eliezer's initial reaction - were totally deleted, but many others were not! And yes, to be quite explicit about it, there are many popular misconceptions about the basilisk, and having these comments preserved is perhaps the one really effective way of addressing them. There was a very clear perception - from people who had actually read the original post! - of how silly it was for Roko to even come up with such an unlikely and contrived scenario, and then bring it up as something that might happen. Roko subsequently wiped his whole presence off the site - posts, comments and all; that he was such a major contributor in the early days is part of why this issue of accessing "comments to something that was deleted" comes up more often than people might expect otherwise!)

Comment author: saturn 16 March 2018 11:58:00PM *  0 points [-]

I do this because there's no way to request posts and comments sorted together chronologically with GraphQL. However, if you click the posts or comments tab, the pagination will work correctly for any number of pages.

Comment author: RyanCarey 16 March 2018 11:24:19PM 0 points [-]

One phenomenon that has some of the relevant characteristics of these tech gold rushes is the online Poker (and popular poker) scene of 5-10 years ago, in that in made a few nerds unusually wealthy. The level of earnings/(work x skill) was much lower in poker, though, in that it was not clearly that much higher than for things like finance.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 16 March 2018 10:56:21PM 1 point [-]

Try GreaterWrong, an alternative UI for LessWrong 2.0. It might suit your preferences better.

Comment author: morganism 16 March 2018 07:53:02PM 0 points [-]

SRI Report Independently Verifies Brillouin LENR Reactions (report included)



Brillouin’s LENR technology includes a proprietary method of electrical stimulation of nickel metal conductors using its Q-Pulse™ control system. The process stimulates the system to produce LENR reactions, which generate excess heat. Other than the heat output, there are no (zero) toxic or CO2 bi-product emissions of any kind.

Comment author: bogus 15 March 2018 11:08:08PM *  1 point [-]

So it seems that I have to wait until I've been locked out of lw1.0 and only then I can try if I can log into lw2.0 ...

Good catch. It would make sense to keep some version of LW1.0 running for a while even after the "final import" is done, purely for the sake of supporting existing users in migrating to LW2. However, I understand that the reddit-derived LW1 code is practically unmaintained by now, so Trike (the folks who host LW1) aren't willing to keep it going for much longer. This means that the site devs' hands are somewhat tied at this point and the status quo is not really tenable.

Updating firefox seems to require (after several layers of depencies) updating udev - which requires updating kernel or it will might make the system unbootable.

Kernel updates are relatively foolproof, unless you did something fancy like compiling a patched version with support for some sort of custom hardware. And you can probably install a newer version alongside the old, without updating udev, so you can get a choice at boot and have a way to ensure that the new version works before you make your system reliant on it. Even if you can't in fact do this (because the newer kernels turn out to be incompatible with some feature of the existing system, like old udev), all you really need is a "live" boot disk to make sure that your hardware plays nice with the new kernel - everything else should be recoverable.

BTW, it's only the very latest versions of Firefox that break all old-style addons. IIRC, 52esr still supports them and is relatively current.

Comment author: jjvt 15 March 2018 06:31:15PM 0 points [-]

This is expected behavior if the recovery email address was not set in the user data LW2 imported from LW1 back in September, or whatever - LW2 simply doesn't know about that email address at the moment! The LW2 devs have promised a "final import" of LW1 data, which should fix this sort of issue

I have set my recovery email four months ago (2017/11/14).

So it seems that I have to wait until I've been locked out of lw1.0 and only then I can try if I can log into lw2.0. If anything goes wrong (as it usually does with computer systems), I'll be locked out of both and so I'll be unable to communicate to the developers what went wrong. I shouldn't have to say that this is highly undesirable - users should be able to test the new system before the old system is shut down.

BTW - are you sure that you can't update software on that GNU/Linux computer?

Updating firefox seems to require (after several layers of depencies) updating udev - which requires updating kernel or it will might make the system unbootable. There are also circular depencies, changes needed to masked packages and manual configuration changes. At this point I'd need to back up my system, get a boot disk and prepare for significant donwtime. Additionaly updating firefox breaks many of the extensions that I'm using.

Comment author: Dagon 15 March 2018 05:49:28PM 0 points [-]

True, after a brief confusing delay where you just see 5 days of "no posts found" while it loads. Is there an equivalent of the red mailbox that tells me someone replied to my comment?

Comment author: bogus 15 March 2018 04:14:59AM 0 points [-]

Are you saying that Greater Wrong is currently requesting the whole 1000 comments history when you go to a user page and browse the user history? If so, I think you should get in contact with the Greater Wrong dev(s) and work on a solution that can work with the current pagination on that site. In practice, making sure that full comment history works on Greater Wrong is probably the easiest and quickest way to avert the perception of a regression from what LW1 makes available. Having a "proper" user history with monthly listings, etc. is a nice-to-have of course, but it does not strike me as critical.

Comment author: bogus 15 March 2018 03:55:23AM *  0 points [-]

...error message "User not found" appears...

This is expected behavior if the recovery email address was not set in the user data LW2 imported from LW1 back in September, or whatever - LW2 simply doesn't know about that email address at the moment! The LW2 devs have promised a "final import" of LW1 data, which should fix this sort of issue (again, assuming that you have set your email here; if you haven't done this yet, you should do it right now, and follow the instructions in the automated email LW1 sends you to verify that you control that address!); though of course it would be nice to have proper confirmation of this. Again, just my 2¢.

(The version of Firefox you mention is positively ancient, BTW - are you sure that you can't update software on that GNU/Linux computer? It should be possible to do so without impacting system requirements much.)

Comment author: jjvt 14 March 2018 09:46:28PM *  0 points [-]

Now the login button opens the login popup correctly, but I still failed to reset my password.

I tried to click the "Forgot password" -> popup asks me for email -> I enter it and click "RESET YOUR PASSWORD" -> error message "User not found" appears -> I enter username instead and click "RESET YOUR PASSWORD" -> error message "Invalid email" appears. (It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I enter my username or email or nothing in the first login popup.)

In my older firefox (10.0.4 ESR) the site loads extremely slowly and consumes several gigabytes of memory (some of it is freed after loading is complete) and these errors appear in the error console:

[edited to correct formating]

Comment author: Habryka 14 March 2018 08:21:04PM 0 points [-]

Hmm, you can see all recent posts on /daily on the new LW.

Comment author: Habryka 14 March 2018 08:20:23PM 0 points [-]

Sorry for not being around more! We launched the Community/Meetup interface just before we announced the vote, so I've been busy polishing that up and making sure everything for that works.

Now that that system works more stably, I will be more responsive in answering questions about the vote and the transition, etc. And in general I check LW2 more often than here, so if you have questions asking over there will probably get you a faster response.

Re password reset: Yep, everything you said is correct, and it does seem reasonable to have a page with both developer contact info and password reset functionality that is accessible without fancy JS. But I don't know how much I can promise yet for that, since it might just end up being a big pain to make the Meteor password reset work without any JS whatsoever. But we should test it so that it at least works in IE 9+.

Comment author: Habryka 14 March 2018 08:15:04PM 0 points [-]

Oh, huh. I didn't realize this as a bug. Thanks for pointing it out!

We have plans to allow people better filtering options for comments and posts in general, somewhat similar to what greaterwrong has to show posts sorted by month and year. So that would fix this problem. I am hesitant to allow the serve to return more than 1000 comments on a single graphQL request though, simply because of server-load reasons. So a proper pagination approach would help with this, which would come with the better filtering and sorting I am imagining.

In general, I think it's very important to make the old content on the site discoverable and findable, and I definitely want to make sure we fix the kinds of bugs you brought up here.

Comment author: Habryka 14 March 2018 08:10:30PM 0 points [-]

The site should now work properly on Firefox 48. Are there any other browsers you use on which it still breaks?

Comment author: bogus 14 March 2018 06:33:08AM *  1 point [-]

You should set your recovery email here on LW1 (if you haven't done so already), so that it has a chance of being part of the previously-announced "final import" of LW1 data; assuming that this occurs successfully, you'll then be able to "reset your password" on LW2 (or, more conveniently for you, on GreaterWrong) using that email address and log in there. Just my 2¢ here, since I'm not a LW2 developer.
(It would sure be nice if we had more participation from the devs here, since after all we're thinking about a major migration and there are still unresolved issues with the new site, as e.g. my toplevel comment in this thread shows! I'm not at all opposed to the migration per se - especially since we now have GreaterWrong! - but I would like to see some commitment from them that meaningful efforts will be made to address these issues)

Added: I just checked and apparently "reset password" is not available on GreaterWrong, only on LesserWrong - and it seems to rely on JavaScript. LW2 devs, could you provide a simple JS-free page for the "password reset" functionality, so that GW can link to it and users on e.g. old computers or cheap mobile devices or with accessibility needs (which are often exacerbated by JS-heavy, 'modern' web designs) can use this function of the site? Alternately, could you enable its use from GreaterWrong itself?

Comment author: Habryka 14 March 2018 02:58:08AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, we are working on browser compatibility. I actually just figured out what was causing your specific bug, so that one should be fixed within at least the next two or three days.

Some navigation aspects are definitely hard to make work with javascript completely disabled (example: The hamburger menu), but we should be able to make it so that the site fails gracefully when some javascript stuff doesn't work.

Comment author: jjvt 13 March 2018 11:51:37PM 0 points [-]

If I remember correctly, the passwords were not trasferred from lw1.0 to lesserwrong - users were supposed to reset their password.

So it seems like I'm still going to be locked out.

Comment author: Elo 13 March 2018 11:36:05PM 0 points [-]

Greaterwrong uses the account data on lesserwrong which got its data from lw1.0

Comment author: jjvt 13 March 2018 11:32:31PM 0 points [-]

How do I reset/recover my password in greaterwrong? Or does my old lesswrong password work there?

Comment author: Elo 13 March 2018 11:03:22PM 0 points [-]


Comment author: jjvt 13 March 2018 10:49:21PM 1 point [-]

It looks like this is my last chance to comment before being locked out:

The new site doesn't work for me. I can't even test if my account was succesfully copied, the login button doesn't work (nothing happends when I click it). I can read articles, but expanding/collapsing comments, changing sort order or hiding/showing the menu don't work.

In the browser console I can see the error "23:32:44.521 SyntaxError: missing = in const declaration" in 168fe459c5f7f951455b85e6019b9d94a5142c29e.js:9:1210986 (I guess there are more errors, but the execution stops there).

I have an firefox 48.0.2 (and other even older browsers) on GNU/Linux and I can't easily install any newer version on my computer.

I didn't originally have my recovery email set for some time when the new site was launched, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a new password for the new site if and when I get a properly working computer. I might lose my account for good.

It looks like javascript is the source of this problem (and actually many other proplems others have reported in the new site). I would highly recommend testing that all essential functionality (at least: listing and reading all articles, listing and reading all comments of an article, loging in / creating accounts, writing text-only comments and articles) works with javascript completely disabled, or even better in a completely text based browser.

Comment author: Benito 13 March 2018 09:03:52PM 2 points [-]


Comment author: Benito 13 March 2018 09:03:15PM 0 points [-]

Yes, as will all of your posts, comments, votes, karma, etc.

Comment author: turchin 13 March 2018 12:40:56PM 0 points [-]

I have links to old LW posts in some articles and other places. What will happen with all these links?

Comment author: Manfred 13 March 2018 02:45:54AM *  0 points [-]


Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 12 March 2018 10:42:56PM 2 points [-]

I only have an account on LW 1.0, not LW 2.0. Will my current account still exist after the migration?

Comment author: Dagon 12 March 2018 09:40:16PM 0 points [-]

Ah, I see. No longer important, but the reason for my question was that I was confused about how your comment related to the topic of the post (retiring LW1.0, calling LW2.0 "lesswrong", with no "beta" tag).

Comment author: bogus 12 March 2018 08:34:17PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure that I understand your question. It is obviously an annoyance, and something that high-karma LW1 users may specifically want to be aware of, since they're far more likely to be affected by it. There are users on the site with far more impressive commenting histories and/or karma scores than mine, and I think the assessment of whether this bug is a 'blocking' issue should be left to these users.

Comment author: Dagon 12 March 2018 08:17:50PM 0 points [-]

Is that bug a blocker in some way? Are you saying you're using the old site and want to keep it around until this bug is fixed?

Comment author: Dagon 12 March 2018 08:17:04PM 3 points [-]

I still prefer the old site, for ease of finding comments in reply to mine, and for seeing all recent posts (I bookmark /discussion/new), and for not being javascript hell.

and the old site is dead, regardless of my usage preference. There's no point in keeping it.

Comment author: casebash 12 March 2018 12:14:16PM 1 point [-]

How haven't they caught up to 90s-era newsreaders.

Comment author: bogus 12 March 2018 10:55:58AM *  1 point [-]

There is an annoying bug/limitation on the new site, in that users who have posted more than 1000 comments (including yours truly, but this is affecting other prolific commenters to a far greater extent of course) cannot access their full commenting history, albeit they can here on lesswrong.com. (Tested on greaterwrong.com, but I assume that the same limit would apply on lesserwrong.) The comments do exist on the site, attached to discussions (albeit a similar issue may exist, affecting discussions with more than 1000 comments or so). This is annoying because I do want my commenting history to be easily accessible in full, and the same is likely true of many other users.

Comment author: morganism 08 March 2018 10:45:38AM 2 points [-]

Wow, thanks. I don't see anything at LW 2.0, so nice to be able to read articles again.

Comment author: Larks 06 March 2018 04:01:16AM 0 points [-]

the one academic doing good work in the area is Sheffer, who is running a longitudinal survey which may or may not have enough statistical power to rule out particularly dramatic variances in outcomes. (Sheffer mentions the selection bias problem but seems to have the attitude that it's not a problem for her work.)

Was there any follow-up here?

Comment author: Raemon 04 March 2018 07:42:16AM 0 points [-]

The entire concept of CEV is meant to address this question.


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Comment author: RedMan 26 February 2018 07:34:53PM 0 points [-]

The last paragraph, read without the context of the rest of the post, sounds like the monologue a movie villain would deliver to his girlfriend/accomplice immediately before savagely murdering a minor character he had just shown some affection.

A rationalist theology could include elements of most others, I think.

Eternal life away from your body? Working on the software, come back in a few decades. Mind melding with other human souls? Hardware is mostly there, but see above. Eternal bliss? We have it, just try to feed yourself. Extinguishment? Sure, go for it, that's old tech. All seeing entity that manipulates the world around you? Sup google. Hell if you don't convert? Basilisks don't exist.

Comment author: Habryka 20 February 2018 11:57:28PM 2 points [-]

Yep, I agree with this. I've learned quite a few things from the GreaterWrong design and overall think that the LW2 UI will be significantly better because of that. It's great to have a platform that experiments in a very different direction from the main site.

Comment author: EngagedAdult 20 February 2018 07:20:13PM 0 points [-]

Robots existing now - pets and toys, vacuum cleaners, military equipment and the development of private companies that will not soon be widely available. In addition, a full-fledged AI will not be seen for a long time. Although there are very interesting developments - the company Festo develops new types of robots based on living beings. Here's an interesting video about their flying robots. Video

However, unfortunately, existing copies have a huge number of problems. Humanity is still far from creating perfect machines like in Treminator or Transformers so we do not have enough strong but flexible materials, and the development of technology even in 2018 leaves much to be desired. At home pets, this is a fairly obvious dullness and limited functions. The robot cleaner has problems with orientation in the space of the room and with replacing batteries - https://bestvacuum.reviews/roomba-replacement-batteries/. In short, there is much to develop.

Comment author: saturn 19 February 2018 05:29:23PM *  6 points [-]

The two sites are based on quite different philosophies of web development, so it would be far from straightforward to do some of the things I've done within the existing LW 2.0 code. I've had fun creating GreaterWrong, and I don't mind putting effort into it as long as LW 2.0 seems like a viable community. I don't think it's necessarily bad to have two sites that do the same thing, if some people prefer one and other people prefer the other. (I agree with Error's comment.)

No, I don't have any special access to the database. If you log in to GreaterWrong, your password is briefly stored in my server's memory, only as needed to forward it to LW 2.0 and receive an authentication token back. In the future I'd like to eliminate even that, but it will require some additional complexity and changes on the LW 2.0 side.

Comment author: Error 19 February 2018 05:19:05PM 5 points [-]

Why not just make the LW2 site better, rather than make another site and have two sites that do the same thing?

A choice of clients is good for users. If an interface sucks, but multiple clients are available, you can switch to one with an interface that does not suck. If no clients have interfaces that do not suck, in principle you have the option of writing your own, which seems to be what happened here.

The best people at administering a service are not necessarily the best at programming a UI, and vice-versa. Allowing alternate clients lets you make use of comparative advantage.

Competition between clients is good for users for the same reasons it is good for customers in the market. New features are created for advantage; good ones are copied and spread. Niche preferences (especially those of power users) stand a chance of getting accounted for.

In short, multiple robust clients makes all clients better. If I may mount my hobby horse for a moment, the lack of client (and service) choice is part of why "modern" web clients still have not caught up to 90s-era newsreaders. This can only be a good thing for LW.

Why do more people need to know this particular email-password combination?

This one is a complaint I think I agree with, although the issue only affects web clients. From the LW2 thread it sounds like the author is working on it.

Comment author: LessWrong 19 February 2018 12:58:49PM *  0 points [-]

Browsed the net too much and found this. Time to weaponise dopamine. Anyone got a list of actions/objects/whatever and the amount of dopamine they produce?

Seriously now, why bother looking for the g-spot when you can just stuff two cheeseburgers down there..

Comment author: LessWrong 19 February 2018 12:52:50PM 0 points [-]

First thing first: it's nice.

My (probably irrelevant) issue with it is that.. it kind of nulls all the effort that went into LW2. It's fine to make something as a prototype and eventually replace it, but "alternative" suggests that it exists side-by-side. This kind of double-effort just seems pointless. Why not just make the LW2 site better, rather than make another site and have two sites that do the same thing?

Also, I don't think commenting with your existing account is okay. Did they just hand you over the database? That does violate consent/trust. Why do more people need to know this particular email-password combination? If I can't trust you to NOT hand over my email-password combo to literally everyone then I'll be sending EY an email with a good argument for quantum suicide,'cause seriously, if a damn email address can't be contained we might as well pack it up right now, no chance to win against an AI.

Comment author: saturn 19 February 2018 02:29:00AM 2 points [-]

Do you have plans to implement a list of posts by user (without comments), a list of drafts, and an inbox? These are the only things I go to LW2.0 for, most of my time is now spent on GW.

Yes, definitely.

Comment author: Lorien 18 February 2018 06:56:19PM 0 points [-]

A lot of optimism towards life and the future (vs old-world desire for a different, better heaven, or the Eastern desire for oblivion) comes from the fact that we are living in a golden age and, for many of those of us who have access to computers and higher learning, golden parts of the planet. For most of human history, life was proverbially nasty, brutish, and short: the shortness was a mercy. Even today, we age; we accumulate psychic injuries as we lose pets, friends, and family and as we accumulate injuries and indignities. It makes one tired, but in our golden lives we can stay proverbially awake longer because it just doesn't wear us out as fast.

We catch our breaths in nearly religious awe at those boosters because they represent a pinnacle in the things that make our lives golden: science represents real miracles to us. Our lives are objectively better than they were for our ancestors. A lot of people around the world, even now, don't have access to these benefits; if anything, the boosters and the beautiful car in space may represent to them exclusion and the bifurcation of the population. Why would they show joy? chances are high that neither they nor their children will see much of the benefit. It trickles down in first world countries to some extent, but less so the further removed one is from the epicenter of the scientific miracle.

Comment author: cousin_it 18 February 2018 03:47:44PM *  2 points [-]

Thank you! Though I like the brutalist theme even more now :-)

Do you have plans to implement a list of posts by user (without comments), a list of drafts, and an inbox? These are the only things I go to LW2.0 for, most of my time is now spent on GW.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 17 February 2018 07:54:32PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure if this is insightful enough to share here, but I'll try anyway.

It sure is. Nice to see someone post something thought-provoking.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 17 February 2018 07:48:27PM *  0 points [-]

I think my personal extrapolated volition is wireheading, and I'm definitely in the "Ooh science, what fun" camp.

But maybe I'm not very good at extrapolating, and an AI could come up with something better. It would, for instance, be great to be in a permanent state of bliss whilst actually acting in the world. Or in some private sandbox world occupied by myself and a few hundred friends.

I can't see how those possibilities would feel any different to me from a good wireheading though. And maybe the AI is trying to conserve resources.

Comment author: ann07cor 17 February 2018 05:14:33PM *  0 points [-]

I always thought about this: since the dawn of violent first person shooters, our self-appointed guardians of morality have been on a crusade to warn us of the dangers of playing video games with a little edge. According to them, if you play long enough, you’ll become desensitized to graphic scenes of death and torture, emerging from behind the console as a murderous monster ready to kill his fellow humans at a mere whim. Now, as video games are getting more and more sophisticated, there’s a renewed sense of panic. But this time, it’s not from the usual suspects. Instead it’s from a tech writer…

Of course on the human end of the question, what’s really happening here is simple scapegoating. We’re afraid of crime, we don’t really understand what motivates some of the most gruesome and violent events we have to live with, and in our fear we turn to an easily available culprit. It’s simpler to blame pop culture and games for vicious robbers and murderers than accept the fact that humans can be both very violent and very irrational, engaging in crimes for many reasons outside of our direct control..

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Comment author: jmh 14 February 2018 06:11:52PM 1 point [-]

As alway some interesting views and thinking get found here. Some of the statements I think I would push back on are: The median is confused. Well, I think it would be more accurate to say EVERYONE is confused if only because we're so limited in both our knowledge and any ability to observe so much of our reality on earth. Forget the metaphysical and philosophical/religous elements. Also, when suggesting confusion about somethings as complex as "the world" I'm not entirely sure there is a good common denominator to define not confused.

I think the characterization of most religous people as above -- and I'll cast it in the worst interprestation here -- as blindly hoping something will save them from bad shit and give them good things is just wrong. I've personally known a bunch of very religous people who are as rational or more rational than most athiests I've met. And, given that we simply don't know, strict atheism (as in a rejection of the monogod concept as reality) is as much a statementof faith and any belief in such an entity. But at least the religious will own their posistion as one of faith. Too many atheists will rebell against the acusation they, in the end, are makes statement based on the faith in their logic. Now, to be fair, more than a few "ateists" are really agnostics who simply say they don't find the arugements for a god convincing and use that as their day-to-day but acept they could be wrong. Why bring up this? It goes back to the assumption about who is and is not confused about the world.

What assumptions are loaded into the overal story here?

Comment author: Val 14 February 2018 10:13:53AM 0 points [-]

I didn't say I had an answer. I only said it can be an interesting dilemma.

Comment author: Dagon 14 February 2018 12:19:20AM 0 points [-]

Do you (or we) have the ethical right to enforce current world, the majority of which is against our values (as measured by the amount of complaining, at least).

Comment author: Elo 13 February 2018 10:11:48PM 0 points [-]

Is that different to how humans are the dominant planetary species?

Comment author: Val 13 February 2018 08:54:38PM *  0 points [-]

That's true, but the change a strong AI would make would be probably completely irreversible and unmodifiable.

Comment author: Elo 13 February 2018 08:42:14PM 1 point [-]

Wouldn't be the first time that a small minority were enacting the change they wanted. The universe is not ethical or anything.

Comment author: Val 13 February 2018 07:29:51PM 0 points [-]

This brings up an interesting ethical dilemma. If strong AI will ever be possible, it will be probably designed with the values of what you described as a small minority. Does this this small minority have the ethical right to enforce a new world upon the majority which will be against their values?

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 11 February 2018 06:15:19AM 1 point [-]

Yeah, the body text is in Source Sans Pro now (seems to be more consistent across platforms[1]).

Good point about the heading weight. In the grey theme the heavy headings don't fit… I'll have to play around with different weights.

[1] "Consistent", I say, and yet I still had to specify that Firefox on Windows (yes, specifically Firefox and specifically on Windows) should get a different weight… fonts, man…

In response to Happiness Is a Chore
Comment author: bitcohen 10 February 2018 06:44:51PM *  0 points [-]

What is the likelihood that this happiness method loses power over time? I had a method for achieving happiness that worked for about two years, but eventually it just sorta petered out. bitcohen

Comment author: BentleyDavis 10 February 2018 05:42:38PM *  1 point [-]

Howdy, I've always enjoyed a good argument/debate. In 2012 I got in the middle of two friends argument about the health of being a vegetarian and decided to do my own research and settle the issue. I was disappointed that there was not an easy way to prove a point. That sent me down a rabbit hole of decision making systems and theory.

I have listened to every episode of "Rationality: From AI to Zombies". I've also researched several of the decision tools on http://lesswrong.com/lw/1qq/debate_tools_an_experience_report/

I am a software engineer and my latest experiment to build tools to help people agree is Reason Score and I would appreciate any time people have to provide feedback and debate with me on the tool.

I also work on the Pro-Truth Pledge and I am on the board of Intentional Insights which is an educational nonpartisan 501(c)(3) nonprofit devoted to promoting science-based truth-seeking, rational thinking, and wise decision-making.

I look forward to learning with you, Bentley

Comment author: g_pepper 09 February 2018 03:30:00PM 3 points [-]

There's a type of person that feels this zest, and this type is not a majority. The median person on Earth is confused by the world. They believe in things like Jesus Christ, and they press on in hope that adhering to divine guidance while they attempt to survive the trials and tribulations of life will be rewarded with not having to do this again. To such a person, the sight of two metal meteors descending from the sky with loud sonic booms, igniting engines and landing in synchrony does not necessarily inspire awe or enthusiasm as much as confusion and terror.

Were there really a lot of people in whom the SpaceX launch and the landing of the boosters inspired confusion and terror? I have not seen any of that. The reactions that I have observed have ranged all the way from disinterest to (as you put it) a palpable zest, but I have not observed anyone who felt terror or confusion.

Comment author: efenj 09 February 2018 03:23:07PM 1 point [-]

Thanks very much!

If the only thing that remained of Greater Wrong was the javascript-free access to the Less(er)Wrong homepage (I mostly disabled js in my browser in the aftermath of spectre, plus js somehow makes scrolling (sic!) on LesserWrong agonisingly slow), it would be a huge value-added for me! I also like the accesskey-based shortcuts for home, featured etc.

However, it's also a much nicer and faster interface for reading the comments and even the content!

(Testing with js enabled: no noticeable slowness; the comment navigation system is neat, though I doubt whether I'd actually use it.)

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