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Comment author: [deleted] 18 October 2010 09:41:46PM *  3 points [-]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

It seems to me that you're practicing skillfully. A few comments:

I tried to summon up a feeling of mettā, which is hard to do without someone in particular in front of me to direct it towards.

While I'm not sure about this, I think mettā might be a form of P.J. Eby's Mmm Test, which aims specifically at reinforcing positive patterns of feeling about other people.

I reflected on my day, which had been quite pleasant, and thought about why the parts that had felt good and bad had felt that way (trying not to value the pleasant more than the unpleasant, but just to understand them).

So were these thoughts in the background as you kept centered on your breath?

(The ability to do that is not unique to meditation for me; I noticed a while ago that if I pay direct attention to e.g. pain I can't simultaneously be distressed by it.)

Interesting. This is more evidence for LWers having abnormally powerful reflection abilities, and possibly experiencing faster progress in meditation as a result. (See my comment here)

One question I have: I was expecting to become uncomfortable in the position I was sitting in after half an hour, but I didn't. Someone mentioned deliberately choosing a position that would be slightly uncomfortable. Is there a reason to do that if I'm not feeling uncomfortable anyway? Or am I only not because my sittings are still fairly short?

I don't think it's so important to do now. Later on you might experiment with longer sittings and see what observing pain can teach you.

Comment author: Relsqui 19 October 2010 06:27:13AM 0 points [-]

While I'm not sure about this, I think mettā might be a form of P.J. Eby's Mmm Test, which aims specifically at reinforcing positive patterns of feeling about other people.

Yeah, I agree. It's sort of priming yourself to feel positively about people. That gives me a good idea: on days when I don't find time for a full vipassana session, I think I will try to still spend a few minutes on mettā just to reinforce those neural pathways.

Also, I just started cleaning my desk. XD I'd been meaning to do that for a while ...

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2010 08:49:13PM *  2 points [-]

After seeing that mettā and P.J. Eby's Mmm Test could be connected, I crafted my own little practice that kind of melds aspects of both of them. After meditating for an hour in the morning I spend 2-4 minutes imagining an awesome far future, and then imagine doing awesome things to realize it.

For the far future I imagine a fun-theoretic posthuman civilization, with all sorts of exotic amazingness. I then imagine myself taking near future actions toward reducing existential risk.

I don't know how much this affects my behavior (if at all). The level of abstraction (even in the case of near future actions) might well be too great for this kind of thing to work. In any case, I get a kick out of trying to imagine new kinds of posthuman fun.

Comment author: Relsqui 18 October 2010 10:14:45PM *  0 points [-]

Thanks for the link to pjeby's video--I don't have time to check it out right now, but I will when I can. I forgot to mention that in my fourth sitting, I found that part easier (calling up mettā deliberately). I enjoy that part.

So were these thoughts in the background as you kept centered on your breath?

Sometimes. I would anchor on the breath and try to keep it there while thinking about other things. When I noticed that I was only thinking about the other things and had lost the breath, I would re-anchor, etc.

From your comment quoting Oshaberi:

I realized I could like any previously hated food just by trying.

Ha, I've almost done this. I remember trying a new kind of cheese some time in elementary school (I remember where I was physically), and noticing that it had a strong and different flavor. I recall thinking consciously, "I could either like this or hate this--may as well like it!" and liked it. But that's the only time I've been able to do it, and I think it's because I was on the cusp. I haven't been able to choose to like other foods on purpose when I didn't before. (I also seem to be a fairly strong taster, though, which gives me strong preferences against certain kinds of taste.)

I don't think it's so important to do now. Later on you might experiment with longer sittings and see what observing pain can teach you.

Sounds good. That was more or less my default plan: Keep doing the simple stuff while it's challenging, then try something harder when the simple stuff gets less challenging. There are a couple of regular group sittings in my area, and I think my short-term goal is to get comfy enough to try joining one of them, so I can get more feedback/discussion.