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Comment author: katydee 21 October 2010 04:14:31AM 1 point [-]

I'm almost sure that it's not actually the case. I only use the example of a coin flipping because most people consider that random and it's easier than having to explain Schrodinger's Cat.

Comment author: Eneasz 21 October 2010 04:45:19PM 1 point [-]

Isn't that an argument against quantum immortality though? As the event that kills you in any given universe is not going to be a random quantum event, but a hard-to-affect deterministic event that kills you in (nearly?) 100% of universes.

Comment author: katydee 21 October 2010 07:18:14PM 1 point [-]

It shouldn't matter, since even the most infinitesimal chances are guaranteed to come up somewhere.

Comment author: David_Allen 21 October 2010 10:34:04PM 0 points [-]

I think it is important to clarify the meaning of "chance", as you refer to it.

If I say that the behavior of a flipped coin is almost certainly deterministic, the remaining uncertainty is not part of the system, it is caused by my inability to predict the outcome. This is not the kind of "chance" that you are referring to.

The type of "chance" related to quantum immortality is the probability attached to non-zero quantum wave-function amplitudes.

It is not enough for there to be a conceptual "chance" that quantum wave-functions could influence the outcome of a coin toss. There must be actual reachable sequences of quantum state sets, all with non-zero wave-function amplitudes, that result in alternate outcomes.

It may also not be enough to utilize a hypothetical model of the quantum wave-functions. It may be possible that real low probability wave-functions don't result in universe splits. For example, those world-lines might merge with higher probability world lines, or there might be resolution limits set by the holographic universe, or by quantum foam noise.

With these restriction and granting (just for this argument) that the MWI is the right way to think about the universe, I'll agree with your statment:

"even the most infinitesimal chances are guaranteed to come up somewhere."

Comment author: katydee 22 October 2010 04:39:53PM 1 point [-]

I understand this, but thanks for the clarification regardless.