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Alicorn comments on Yet Another "Rational Approach To Morality & Friendly AI Sequence" - Less Wrong Discussion

-6 Post author: mwaser 06 November 2010 04:30PM

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Comment author: Alicorn 07 November 2010 10:43:39PM 8 points [-]

All right, I'll dissect that comment.

Some of it was mistaken assumptions about karma.

Okay: what mistaken assumptions about karma? What false beliefs did you have about karma, and how did they mislead your actions?

a huge amount of underlying structure which is necessary to explain what looks like seemingly irrational behavior (to someone who doesn't have that structure)

Okay: how does what underlying structure explain what apparently irrational behavior?

(until you catch the underlying regularities and make the right assumptions)

Okay: And those regularities and assumptions are...?

terms of art" that are not recognizable as such to the newbie

Okay: and I can find your list of these, and how you misunderstood them, where?

the underlying consistency of the "irrationality"

Which takes what form, please?

the necessary understandings.

Such as?

One must understand the expected process and expectations of contribution and understand the "terms of art" that are invariable [sic] used in the evaluatory [sic] comments. Clear and confused have very specific meanings here that do not unpack correctly unless you have the underlying structure/understanding.

And the process is? The expectations are? The terms mean? The structure/understanding is? What is the mystery you have unraveled here, please show the class.

most of the behavior that totally baffled me before and appeared irrational now makes total sense

Do tell. How does it make sense?

The rules are totally different here from what I expected/assumed and the unnoticed phase change caused my "rational" behavior to be deemed "irrational" (only because it was ;-) and "irrational" behavior to be widely accepted (not what you expect on a site devoted to rationality ;-).

And the rules are...?

Ending the dissection here because comments can't be arbitrarily long, and because it's all the same. You throw around words labeling things you supposedly understand without ever describing those things. Over and over and over.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 07 November 2010 11:07:54PM *  3 points [-]

I expect that the error is in using opaque words one can't unpack, hence with very vague intended meaning. Like guessing teacher's password. One thus often remains protected from saying something that doesn't have an interpretation under which it's correct (even if intended interpretation is trivial or wrong).

Comment author: mwaser 08 November 2010 02:37:03AM *  0 points [-]

Okay. So the comment is unclear and incomplete but not unwelcome with a +5 karma). Clearly, I need to slow down and expand, expand, expand. I'm willing to keep fighting with it and do that and learn. Where is an appropriate place to do so?

Comment author: Alicorn 08 November 2010 02:53:15AM 5 points [-]

How about you answer any one of the questions I posed, right here? Take your pick. There's plenty.

Comment author: mwaser 08 November 2010 02:41:38PM 1 point [-]

Umph! I am really not used to interacting with people mentally skilled enough that I have a really bad case of not knowing what I don't know. I need to fix that.

Good one with the <humility> tags. I'm still recalibrating from it/working through all its implications.

I'm going off to work on one of the questions now.