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alethiophile comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 6 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: alethiophile 27 November 2010 09:33:47PM 24 points [-]

That is an oddity. However, note that they don't have computers, and setting up a schedule properly for everyone who's signed up for whatever classes seems like it might well be incredibly difficult without same. It could be that someone saw this and said 'F* it, just give them time machines.' That would certainly fit with the level of sense shown so far in magical Britain.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 November 2010 08:16:50AM 24 points [-]

It could be that someone saw this and said 'F* it, just give them time machines.'

I now declare this MoR!canon.

Comment author: Alicorn 28 November 2010 12:33:06AM 5 points [-]

I've been to college and suffered the frustration of trying to juggle classes that take place at inconvenient times relative to each other. But we don't seem to have the conflicts divulged to the students. Hermione "just signs up for everything", she doesn't say "gosh, it looks like this class and that one conflict, so I'll have to pick one - but I can't choose! Aaah! - Professor McGonagall, isn't there something you could do?!"

Comment author: Halceon 27 November 2010 10:22:39PM 3 points [-]

They do, however, have magic. And if there are charms that specifically identify trash to clean, then there must be charms that can organize words on parchment according to a few simple rules.

Comment author: erratio 27 November 2010 11:38:06PM 8 points [-]

The rules are not that simple. School timetabling is NP-hard and even stimulated annealing is unlikely to get it completely correct.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 December 2010 02:41:08AM 5 points [-]

The rules are not that simple.

The rules are simple. So are the rules for Go.

stimulated annealing

I had to look up whether that was, in fact, a new kind of optimisation algorithm. It certainly sounds like it should be. ;)

Comment author: erratio 03 December 2010 05:10:02AM 0 points [-]

I assumed that it was well-known since I learnt about it in first-year computing (nearly 7 years ago now..). In retrospect, that was probably a silly assumption.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 03 December 2010 05:25:06AM 5 points [-]

I think the joke is that you wrote "stimulated annealing" rather than "simulated annealing".

Comment author: erratio 03 December 2010 05:43:01AM 1 point [-]

Oh! I always that was a valid alternate spelling of the same word. My bad.

Comment author: ciphergoth 03 December 2010 01:44:04PM 1 point [-]

Almost unrelated words. From thefreedictionary.com: simulate stimulate.

Comment author: Halceon 28 November 2010 12:17:42AM 3 points [-]

Ok, objection noted. My first sentence, however, stands and they still have magic.

Though this might be a matter similar to the clocks - nobody has thought of doing it, so it hasn't been done.

Comment author: erratio 28 November 2010 01:43:20AM 8 points [-]

I should probably have been clearer: the reason classes are often scheduled at the same time is because it's impossible not to. You have some amount of staff, each of whom have to teach some amount of lower level and/or elective classes, and then you have a couple hundred students each of whom pick 5-7 (or whatever it is, I haven't read the books recently) electives in whatever combination most appeals to them. The chances of not having a collision anywhere in the whole timetable are pretty damn low. Non-magical schools deal with collisions by forcing students with unpopular combinations to change one of their options (which is what my school did), or by offering a an extra class during lunch or outside regular school hours (which I've heard of other schools doing)

Comment author: wedrifid 03 December 2010 02:44:01AM 2 points [-]

They do, however, have magic. And if there are charms that specifically identify trash to clean, then there must be charms that can organize words on parchment according to a few simple rules.

And house elves. There are almost certainly spirits of intellect they could summon too! If not, they have had time to do plenty of selective breeding on their chattel. That said... HP wizard authorities are really thick when it comes to these things.