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major comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 6 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: major 28 November 2010 12:53:18AM 8 points [-]

Ch 62. Holy crap! Dumbledore killed Narcissa in response to the kidnapping and murder of Aberforth?! That doesn't sound right. For one thing, how can he still own the Bird of Good, then?

Comment author: DanArmak 28 November 2010 07:57:14PM 3 points [-]

Well, he didn't free the prisoners of Azkaban, so how can he still own the Bird of Good? Clearly there's room for some disagreement between Dumbledore and the Bird without breaking up their relationship.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 28 November 2010 03:19:57AM 3 points [-]

"Not giving into blackmail" sounds like letting Aberforth (etc?) be killed by the Deatheaters rather than giving into demands, but I dunno if it was implied that Narcissa was direct revenge for that, or if that was a separate incident.

Comment author: Document 28 November 2010 07:31:42AM 2 points [-]

The relevant sentence is "The Death Eaters learned, toward the end of the war, not to attack the Order's families.". At least, that's the one that made me say something like "oh crap" out loud.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 28 November 2010 10:07:00AM *  0 points [-]

Yeah, I was thinking "learned how exactly?", which would match with the Narcissa thing, but then the further elaboration took me away from that idea. But it could still well mean that.

Comment author: Document 28 November 2010 10:39:42AM 0 points [-]

I didn't notice an elaboration that qualified it.

Comment author: TobyBartels 29 November 2010 06:23:12AM 1 point [-]

From the same paragraph:

I have taught him that I do not give in to blackmail, and so he will not try.

So that seems to confirm ShardPhoenix's interpretation (which was also mine).

Comment author: Document 29 November 2010 06:50:00AM 1 point [-]

The sentence in between explicitly changes the subject, so that he's referring to Voldemort and not the Death Eaters.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 28 November 2010 03:16:01AM 0 points [-]

Sorry, where's this?

Comment author: jsalvatier 28 November 2010 03:56:54AM 0 points [-]

D says that the Deatheaters learned not to try to blackmail or attack the families of the Order, and so Harry's family should not be in any danger.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 28 November 2010 05:16:01AM 4 points [-]

OK, this is a highly nonobvious inference; it shouldn't be stated as if it were obvious from the text.

Comment author: major 28 November 2010 04:57:50PM 0 points [-]

My apologies.

I was going to comment on how Ch61 made me realize I lack the ability to predict what others find obvious (specifically why Dumbledore and Snape doesn't see the purpose of the left-behind vial, and, more importantly, do reviewers fail to mention it because it's obvious or because nobody sees the discrepancy), but then I didn't, because I realized probably no one cares.