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41 Post author: Mass_Driver 23 December 2010 09:05AM

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Comment author: Costanza 24 December 2010 12:21:39AM 5 points [-]

First: Is there something better than bliss? Is bliss different than what the economists would call utility?

Second: Now I'm on the side of rationality, and hope to relinquish as much ignorance as possible. But it would be wrong to ignore the very real fears noted by Mass_Driver, who initiated this discussion.

Don't get me wrong! I'm on board now. But isn't there something of the basilisk about rationality? This is a real question. I expect it may be somewhere in a part of the sequences I haven't read. If so, a pointer would be welcome. Unless it's another basilisk, leading to a still lower circle of Hell. Ah, fuck it. Just let me know anyway.

Comment author: ata 24 December 2010 12:39:45AM *  3 points [-]

First: Is there something better than bliss? Is bliss different than what the economists would call utility?

Very different — utility is about the things you consider valuable, and bliss is one feedback signal that tells you (often incorrectly) that you're doing something valuable (or, more generally, tells you to keep doing whatever you just did). This distinction is explained pretty well in Terminal Values and Instrumental Values, in the part starting at "Consider the philosopher who asserts..."

it would be wrong to ignore the very real fears noted by Mass_Driver

I don't disagree with that.

I expect it may be somewhere in a part of the sequences I haven't read.

Off the top of my head, this is touched on in Why Truth? and Incremental Progress and the Valley. Though I feel like I'm forgetting at least one good one.

Comment author: Costanza 24 December 2010 12:44:44AM *  2 points [-]

That's an awesome and useful answer! No sarcasm or irony. I will read that at once. And upvoted.

P.S. God damn, the sequences are long.