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Comment author: Vaniver 25 December 2010 03:22:26PM 0 points [-]

Don't get me wrong! I'm on board now. But isn't there something of the basilisk about rationality? This is a real question.

There is. Pretty much every transition upwards is one feared by the previous step- the infant feels worse off after leaving the womb, the adult feels worse off after puberty, and so on. But I see little to recommend the view that growth should be avoided because it is often unpleasant.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 December 2010 04:43:54AM 4 points [-]

the infant feels worse off after leaving the womb, the adult feels worse off after puberty, and so on.

This is a minor quibble, but -- the thing about the babies is speculation, since nobody really remembers how happy they might have been in the womb. My babies showed some evidence of discomfort in the cramped quarters of the womb (a lot of kicking, especially toward the end), and they displayed a lot of pleasure in things like nursing and cuddling and being played with once they got out into the world. If I had to guess I would say they were happier after birth.

For the puberty thing, I know that I felt much, much better once I was out of adolescence. So experiences vary.

Comment author: Vaniver 26 December 2010 05:24:48AM 0 points [-]

Right, I think I misworded it (and it could be the point is totally wrong)- this stage seems worth it by our standards now but didn't seem worth it by last stage's standards.