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gwern comments on Are You a Paralyzed Subordinate Monkey? - Less Wrong Discussion

26 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 March 2011 09:12PM

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Comment author: gwern 04 March 2011 06:18:28PM 2 points [-]

This distinction between implicit and explicit reminds me of Mencius Moldbug's theory of corruption - that corruption is just when power is exercised through non-formalized channels, but where power is thought to be exercised through formal channels (shades of homo hypocritus and Venkat's Gervais principle). There's probably some testable predictions here, like people with low social skills who are bad at the homo hypocritus game would prefer non-corrupt/formal power structures, and good social game players would prefer the exact opposite.

(It also reminds me a little, I think, of Gang Leader for a Day, where the student learns that much of the power in the building centered around an old black woman who controlled rents and housing grants.)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 March 2011 06:24:44PM 3 points [-]

people with low social skills [..] prefer non-corrupt/formal power structures, and good social game players would prefer the exact opposite

Theory aside, I would certainly expect this to be true. You should totally read the Freeman article David_Gerard cites, if you haven't; IIRC she talks about this dynamic a fair bit.

I often amuse myself by wanting a clear specification of who is responsible for what at precisely the moment when I am frustrated by my inability to achieve my goals within an organization, and wanting that to stay fuzzy and flexible right up until that moment.