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Comment author: PhilGoetz 24 March 2011 09:06:10PM *  6 points [-]

But enthusiastic consent doesn't always happen, because women routinely use male sexual aggressiveness as a filter. These women make the man do all of the initiation and all of the advancing, and may put up "last-minute resistance" to having sex the first time, because they only want to have sex with men who are aggressive enough to overcome this resistance.

This is probably related to the high prevalence of rape fantasies among women. Men seldom fantasize about being raped; surveys indicate most women have. And most romance novels depict the heroine being raped, usually by the hero. And I've had women ask me to pretend to rape them, because it gets them more excited.

And it's also related to the strong attraction some women feel towards violent men. Even men who display violence only towards women. Men who are in prison for murdering their wives get unsolicited offers of marriage from women who haven't met them. The more violent the murder was, the more solicitations they get.

The best thing women can do to make men stop acting aggressively towards women, is to stop rewarding men who act aggressively towards women.

(Of course, to do so would be to deliberately change evolved human values.)

Comment author: wnoise 24 March 2011 10:42:59PM 7 points [-]

The best thing the subset of women who reward men who act aggressively towards women can do is stop rewarding. Those who already don't reward it don't have "stop rewarding it" as an option.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 24 March 2011 11:24:14PM 6 points [-]

True. But they do have the option of shunning other women who reward it. Or of mentioning it as an option, when they write books about male aggression.

Comment author: Skatche 25 March 2011 03:43:35AM 4 points [-]

That women should learn to take a more assertive role in their own sexual fulfillment is one of the main themes of Yes Means Yes, and is more or less the unanimous view of mainstream feminism today.