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-1 Post author: curi 06 April 2011 11:50PM

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Comment author: curi 07 April 2011 08:52:52PM -1 points [-]

It would need to be 500 posts.

But anyway, they are written and published. By Popper not me. They already exist and they don't need to be published on this particular website.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 April 2011 08:55:41PM 4 points [-]

One thing you could do is write a post highlighting a specific example where Bayes is wrong and Popper is right. A lot of people have asked for specific examples in this thread; if you could give a detailed discussion of one, that would move the discussion to more fertile ground.

Comment author: curi 07 April 2011 08:57:01PM *  1 point [-]

Can you give me a link to a canonical essay on Bayesian epistemology/philosophy, and I'll pick from there?

Induction and justificationism are examples but I've been talking about them. I think you want something else. Not entirely sure what.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 April 2011 09:04:46PM 1 point [-]

It's not at all canonical, but a paper that neatly summarizes Bayesian epistemology is "Bayesian Epistemology" by Stephan Hartmann and Jan Sprenger.

Comment author: curi 07 April 2011 09:09:44PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: [deleted] 07 April 2011 09:14:16PM 1 point [-]

Excellent, thanks.

Comment author: prase 07 April 2011 08:57:01PM 3 points [-]

Following your advice expressed elsewhere, isn't the fact that the basics of Popperianism cannot be explained in five posts a valid criticism of Popperianism, which should be therefore rejected?

Comment author: curi 07 April 2011 08:59:26PM 1 point [-]

Why is that a criticism? What's wrong with that?

Also maybe it could be. But I don't know how.

And the basics could be explained quickly, to someone who didn't have a bunch of anti-Popperian biases, but people do have those b/c they are built into our culture. And without the details and precision then people complain about 1) not understanding how to do it, what it says 2) it not having enough precision and rigor

Comment author: prase 07 April 2011 09:06:08PM *  2 points [-]

Why is that a criticism?

Actually I don't know what constitutes a criticism in your book (since you never specified), but you have also said that there are no rules for criticism, so I suppose that it is a criticism. If not, then please say why it is not a criticism.

I am not going to engage in a discussion about my and your biases, since such debates rarely lead to an agreement.

Comment author: curi 07 April 2011 09:11:10PM *  0 points [-]

You can conjecture standards of criticism, or use the ones from your culture. If you find a problem with them, you can change them or conjecture different ones.

For many purposes I'm pretty happen with common sense notions of standards of criticism, which I think you understand, but which are hard to explain in words. If you have a relevant problem with the, you can say it.