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Comment author: Laoch 24 August 2012 05:19:48PM *  0 points [-]

I reject the "Consciousness is really just computation" if you define computation as the operation of contemporary computers not brains, but I wholeheartedly agree that we are physical and an effect of evolution as is our subjective experience. I just don't think that the mind/consciousness is solely the neural connections of ones brain. Cell metabolism and whole organism metabolism and the environment of that organism define the concious experience also. If it's reduced to a neural net important factors will most certainly be lost.

Comment author: shminux 24 August 2012 08:01:50PM 0 points [-]

Does this mean that amputees should be less conscious?

Comment author: gwern 24 August 2012 10:36:02PM 3 points [-]

Maybe not with humans, but definitely for octopuses!

(More seriously, depending on how seriously you take embodied cognition, there may be some small loss. I mean, we know that your gut bacteria influence your mood via the nerves to the gut; so there are connections. And once there are connections, it becomes much more plausible that cut connections may decrease consciousness. After a few weeks in a float tank, how conscious would you be? Not very...)

Comment author: shminux 24 August 2012 11:22:26PM 0 points [-]

I'm pretty sure that you agree that none of this means that a human brain in a vat with proper connections to the environment, real or simulated, is inherently less conscious than one attached to a body.

Comment author: gwern 25 August 2012 12:24:00AM 0 points [-]

I don't take embodiment that far, no, but a simulated amputation in a simulation would seem as problematic as a real amputation in the real-world barring extraordinary intervention on the part of the simulation.

Comment author: Laoch 25 August 2012 09:08:49AM *  0 points [-]

No but subjective conscious experience would change definitely.

Comment author: Dolores1984 24 August 2012 06:06:23PM 0 points [-]

Well, that ought to be testable. If he upload a human, and the source of consciousness is lost, they should stop feeling it. Provided they're honest, we can just ask them.

Comment author: Laoch 24 August 2012 07:45:11PM 0 points [-]

That could very well be the case.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 August 2012 06:37:33PM 0 points [-]

Well, you're a p-zombie, you would say that.