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35 Post author: JGWeissman 22 April 2011 02:37AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 22 April 2011 04:26:37AM 0 points [-]

I think the next paragraph is the most important:

Things soon began to get a little crazy. Team members began to affect loud maniacal laughter whenever they discovered software defects. Some individuals even grew long mustaches which they would twirl with melodramatic flair as they savaged a programmer's code. And the things they did to software went beyond all bounds of rational use testing and were more akin to software torture. The crazier things got, the more effective the team became.

This makes it sound more like a cult rather than a group of rational people working together. Reminds me of this and similar posts. So instead of "A Parable of Group Effectiveness," it's more like, "A Parable of Smart People Getting Sucked Into a Feedback Loop Causing Them to Confuse Their Sense of Group Identity With the Terminal Values of Their Employer."

Comment author: ata 22 April 2011 05:38:55AM *  39 points [-]

This makes it sound more like a cult rather than a group of rational people working together.

...they "grew long mustaches which they would twirl with melodramatic flair as they savaged a programmer's code", for god's sake. This is just a group of people who decided to have fun with their identities, go about their jobs in a bit more theatrical a manner than usual, and make people's days more surreal, and managed to get their work done more effectively and more enjoyably in the process. (Rational doesn't mean boring.) I'm sort of used to random things in nearby memespace regions being accused of being cults, but this doesn't even seem to have the surface similarities that are usually brought up to support those accusations.

Comment author: Gray 22 April 2011 11:20:23PM 2 points [-]

I agree entirely. I hate the idea that "rationality" is being identified with the way your dress and compose yourself. Also, I know there's a sequence post somewhere that basically says that being rational doesn't mean being dispassionate.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 22 April 2011 11:33:50PM 6 points [-]

Also, I know there's a sequence post somewhere that basically says that being rational doesn't mean being dispassionate.

Perhaps you're thinking of Feeling Rational, one of my personal favorites.