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Costanza comments on The elephant in the room, AMA - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: calcsam 12 May 2011 02:59PM

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Comment author: Costanza 12 May 2011 04:28:53PM *  12 points [-]

My current opinion is that the doctrines of the Mormon church are wildly ridiculous, pernicious, and manifestly false. In other words, these are extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I don't think calcsam can provide anything like the necessary degree of extraordinary evidence. I think it's much more likely that I'd be struck by lightning while winning the lottery. This isn't sporting of me, but then again, it's not a sport. Calcsam is the one who chose LDS, not me.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 12 May 2011 04:39:18PM 9 points [-]

My point is that your declaration and subsequent failure to convert is not itself in any way evidence against Mormonism or for Atheism.

Comment author: Costanza 12 May 2011 04:47:18PM *  7 points [-]

I agree that my personal beliefs don't amount to evidence, at least not to a rationalist. But the Mormons value converts. As a rationalist, I am convinced by evidence. I offer the prospect of my conversion as motivation for a Mormon to offer rational evidence for Mormon beliefs. And not just my conversion -- if calcsam can win over LessWrong, calcsam can win the souls of the world to the True Faith. That's motivation!

So, now we'll see what evidence is forthcoming.

ETA:

And if some really convincing evidence is not forthcoming -- as I suspect it will not be -- then, in light of the aforementioned reasons to produce such evidence, I suggest it will be reasonable to assume that calcsam has no such evidence.

I suspect that calcsam is unusually intelligent and hardworking and probably is friendly and pleasant to meet in person. This describes a lot of modern Mormons, and as far as I know none of them have come up with anything like a decent demonstration of the truth of Mormonism.

Comment author: endoself 13 May 2011 01:41:54AM *  3 points [-]

I agree that my personal beliefs don't amount to evidence

Well, they are very weak evidence.