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Jayson_Virissimo comments on The elephant in the room, AMA - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: calcsam 12 May 2011 02:59PM

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Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 12 May 2011 11:13:11PM *  3 points [-]

Why assume that those events broke the laws of physcs? I perform actions everyday that my ancesters would interpret as breaking the laws of physics (as understood at that time).

Comment author: Sniffnoy 13 May 2011 12:38:16AM 1 point [-]

He didn't assume that; the post says

events that break the laws of physics as we know them

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 13 May 2011 12:59:54AM 2 points [-]

He lists a series of events (the resurrection of Jesus, the angel Moroni and the golden plates) and implies that (if they happened) they broke the laws of physics (as we know them). Which laws of physics (as we know them) did these events break? I'm not being a smartass; I'm honestly asking for an elaboration.

Comment author: Emile 13 May 2011 07:41:29AM 5 points [-]

I'm not assuming those events broke the laws of physics, since I don't even believe they happened :)

I'm mostly wondering how calcsam accounts for that kind of events, the events-that-would-be-very-hard-to-exlain-with-current-science. I'm wondering if the explanation would be "God has the root password of the universe, he can suspend the laws of nature if he wants to" (the "traditional" account of Miracles as supernatural events), or "There are beings with high technology we can't understand, their actions look like miracles to us", or "Those things didn't happen, they are symbolic and their main purpose is teaching us moral metaphors" or some other explanation.

I talked about the "laws of physics" mostly to exclude "explainable" miracles like placebo-style faith healings, for which religious and scientific explanations of the physical world don't necessarily conflict with each other.

Comment author: JohnH 14 May 2011 07:49:01PM 0 points [-]

I'm wondering if the explanation would be "God has the root password of the universe, he can suspend the laws of nature if he wants to" (the "traditional" account of Miracles as supernatural events),

Absolutely no in LDS theology, God can not break the laws of nature.

There are beings with high technology we can't understand, their actions look like miracles to us

This is correct.