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52 Post author: PhilGoetz 15 May 2011 03:34AM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 May 2011 04:11:39AM 16 points [-]

I'm somewhat puzzled by your terminology since the topics you call "meta-rationality":

about how to be rational, how to avoid akrasia, and so on.

strike me as much more practical and applied then the ones you call "applied rationality":

philosophy, value, and possible futures

which strike me as much more meta.

Going by the list of topics you're complaining about, it appears that you are the one who "would rather talk about rationality than use it."

Comment author: Yvain 15 May 2011 04:42:05PM *  22 points [-]

Phil's terminology is probably the way I would have worded the same.

Posts that talk about things like "how do we use the anthropic principle", "what is morality", "what decision theory makes sense", "what is a mysterious answer to a mysterious question", etc. all seem object-level...

...whereas there's another class of posts that always uses the word "rationality" - ie "how can we be more rational in our lives", "how can we promote rationality", "am I a good enough rationalist if..." "who is/isn't a rationalist" et cetera, and these seem properly termed meta-level because they involve being rational about rationality.

I have a feeling the latter class of posts would benefit if they tried to taboo "rationality".

Comment author: Bongo 16 May 2011 04:09:18AM *  4 points [-]

I have a feeling the latter class of posts would benefit if they tried to taboo "rationality".

or: use rationality and don't mention it.

Comment author: David_Gerard 15 May 2011 07:34:02PM 3 points [-]

I have a feeling the latter class of posts would benefit if they tried to taboo "rationality".

Bingo.

Perhaps these would be good rewrite targets.

Comment author: jsalvatier 15 May 2011 08:06:56PM 1 point [-]

Much clearer than the original post.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 15 May 2011 04:31:28AM *  2 points [-]

I see your point. I don't think of them as meta, because I see them as rungs on a ladder with a definite destination. I changed the wording a little.

Comment author: jsalvatier 15 May 2011 07:57:40AM 5 points [-]

Perhaps 'abstract' is a better word than 'meta' here.

Comment author: Gray 16 May 2011 09:38:13PM 4 points [-]

The prefix 'meta' is incredibly overused...just saying.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 May 2011 09:27:35AM -1 points [-]

Bravo

Comment author: Bongo 15 May 2011 04:23:05AM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I agree with PhilGoetz but downvoted because of bizarre terminology.