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Comment author: Wei_Dai 22 May 2011 04:14:56PM 1 point [-]

You can see here an explanation from Toby Ord why he decided not to continue a discussion despite some of us begging him to.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 22 May 2011 05:29:13PM *  1 point [-]

By the way, how far is (a saner rendering of) "moral realism" from simply a focus on "objective" in "subjectively objective values"? That is, any given agent can't escape from fixed moral truths no more than physical reality, even though there are other physical realities and agents with other goals. This doesn't look like a disagreement.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 22 May 2011 11:59:34PM 1 point [-]

Toby mentioned that moral realism went together with value simplicity, so presumably he meant a version of moral realism that implies value simplicity, from which I infer that his position is not close to "subjectively objective values".

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 23 May 2011 01:00:32AM *  2 points [-]

Toby's comment doesn't strongly imply that he believes in value simplicity though. On the other hand, "value simplicity" can be parsed as correct as well, in the sense of pointing to human minds or even to own intuition and saying "values like this" (I weakly guess a moral realist would just use own intuition in this case instead of noticing it), so this needs further disambiguation. :-)