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MixedNuts comments on Influence = Manipulation - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: MixedNuts 15 June 2011 11:53:43AM 6 points [-]

how the hay do people like that survive?

Good question. A large part of the answer is probably that exploitation is considered manipulation by onlookers, and so potential exploiters (correctly) deem it ethical to refrain, or are punished.

a working suicide rock

Mass suicides in doomsday cults, and suicide pacts, suggest that it partially works on particularly vulnerable populations.

Comment author: CronoDAS 17 June 2011 06:15:07AM *  7 points [-]

Good question. A large part of the answer is probably that exploitation is considered manipulation by onlookers, and so potential exploiters (correctly) deem it ethical to refrain, or are punished.

I suspect that it's often by staying within "safe" social circles in which people don't take advantage of them too hard.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 15 June 2011 12:11:16PM 2 points [-]

Ok, that's scary... O_o

Not remotely as scary as a whole lot of other things that are also real and I know about. But still pretty scary.

And the thing you mentioned where they try to cooperate dosn't sound like it'd work very well, more like it'd just introduce even further vulnerabilities at least once you take it into account. But maybe it turns out more effective in practice.

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 August 2011 03:59:02PM 2 points [-]

Update: I've been playing around a bit with prisoner's dilemma simulations (not particularly ruthless ones). If nice retaliating strategies (like tit-for-tat) rise fast enough, then patches of unconditional cooperation can survive by leaning on them and each other. So it seems to works. My simulation wasn't particularly ruthless, though.