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Mercurial comments on New York Times on Arguments and Evolution [link] - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Mercurial 16 June 2011 01:26:41PM 0 points [-]

...arguments must ultimately be backed by greater correctness...

I'd certainly like to think so! I'm just suspicious of that intuition, especially in myself. The subjective impression that reasoning is for truth-seeking could be because it is. However, if it's not, as the lead article suggests, then we'd still be under the impression that our reasoning is in pursuit of truth and that those who disagree with us are willfully ignoring the truth. So we can't use that intuition as a guide to tell us about what's the case in this situation.

It's also worth noting that people generally aren't convinced by true arguments. They're usually convinced instead by peer pressure and repetition. Presenting a really crushing (!) argument that leaves no logical wiggle room left over can actually make the person who initially disagreed become more certain of their initial position and become resentful toward you. That really makes no sense if reason is supposed to be for truth-pursuit - but it makes a lot of sense if arguments are more about dominance than determining what's real.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 17 June 2011 02:36:38AM *  1 point [-]

I'm not saying I feel like reasoning is for truth-seeking, I'm saying that to some significant extent it has to be - like Eugene_Nier says, even if there's a lot of noise and social posturing involved, on average it has to bottom out in truth somewhere, else why would we evolve to put effort into something worthless? If it was purely about social dominance, why talk at all instead of sticking to fighting/physical displays?

edit: Although I'm not sure how much purely social content can be built on top of a little physical truth - maybe a lot.