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Mostly silly alternatives to the word 'rationalist'

2 Post author: jsalvatier 22 June 2011 04:53AM

Like many others I don't care much for the word 'rationalist', since it comes with lots of preexisting negative connotations. I think we're most likely stuck with the term, but to amuse myself, I came up a list of alternative terms. The Seattle LW group enjoyed the word 'cognomancy'.

I don't claim any of these are original to me; I know I've lifted a couple of them.
  • cognomancer
  • optimancer
  • orthomancer
  • ratiomancer
  • logimancer
  • utilimancer
  • mentamancer
  • metamancer
  • economancer
  • psychomancer
  • bayesian empiramancer (really you could add 'bayesian to most of these')
  • mathamancer 
  • cognitive engineer
  • optimization engineer
  • neuromancer
  • cognologist
  • cognician 
  • optimician
  • utilitician 
  • ratician 
  • orthocognician 
  • economician 
  • mentician 
  • empirician  
I really like the suffix -mancy; it's really fun to think of yourself as doing any kind of -mancy. 
I'd love to hear other funny alternatives to 'rationalist' and other related terms.

 

Comments (37)

Comment author: CharlieSheen 23 June 2011 01:25:10PM 5 points [-]

You've been reading Erfworld haven't you?

Comment author: DanielLC 22 June 2011 06:05:07AM 5 points [-]

I've seen Bayesjutsu. I don't know how you'd refer to a practitioner.

Comment author: Desrtopa 22 June 2011 04:26:03PM 2 points [-]

Bayesjutsuka.

Comment author: DanielLC 23 June 2011 10:40:39PM 1 point [-]

As of this post, I got five karma for referencing a name someone else thought of. Why do I get karma for that?

Comment author: DataPacRat 24 June 2011 02:10:59AM 2 points [-]

I'm the one who wrote the article you linked to, and I don't mind you getting karma for the link (at least, as long as mine stays over 20). :)

Comment author: Unnamed 24 June 2011 01:54:33AM 1 point [-]

Because people like the name, and you introduced the name to this conversation. Why should the rest of us care whether you invented the name yourself or brought it in from somewhere else?

Comment author: Laoch 22 June 2011 11:54:18AM 0 points [-]

Bay-es-jutsu? Or Bayes-jutsu? The key is in the pronunciation methinks.

Comment author: DanielLC 22 June 2011 06:28:18PM 2 points [-]

Bayes is one syllable, so I'd assume bayes-jutsu.

Comment author: Laoch 23 June 2011 09:08:57AM 0 points [-]

So it is.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 22 June 2011 05:21:09AM 11 points [-]

The -mancy suffix is from Greek manteia, meaning divination or prophecy. It is attached almost entirely to superstitious methods of divination, e.g. cartomancy (card reading); geomancy (reading of patterns of thrown rocks or sand); chiromancy (palmistry); and so forth. The exception is necromancy, which today largely does not mean divination by means of the dead, but rather any magickal practice purporting to deal with death or the dead.

If you need fancy Greek roots to play with, may I recommend logos (word, symbol), gnosis (knowledge), noos (mind), or the cluster of menthere (to care) / manthanein (to learn) / mathema (science) / mathematikos — ultimately related to ancient Proto-Indo-European roots meaning "awareness"? ¹

Do be aware that the Latin/Greek fusion "scientology" is already taken.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 22 June 2011 07:16:41AM *  3 points [-]

I'm reminded of the amusing sidebar in the RPG Unknown Armies, which uses the -mancy suffix for all of its magical schools.

Technically, the various schools of magick - Dipsomancy, Pornomancy, etc. - should actually be written out as Dipsomagy, Pornomagy, and so forth. The suffix "-mancy" refers to magickal divination, whereas "-magy" means more general forms of magick. Even more technically, a more etymologically correct suffic would be -"urgy", giving us Dipsourgy, Pornourgy, etc. Regardless, "-mancy" is what passed into common currency among the new wave of adepts, and the occult underground is stuck with it - the way normal folks are stuck with people who use "orientated" when they should use "oriented", or who use "literally" when they shouldn't use anything at all. Old-school occultists and scholars tend to make a point of using either "-magy" or "-urgy", which makes novice adepts look at them funny. Life goes on.

(And yes, Pornomancy is pretty much what it sounds like. For maximum weirdness, see also pages 14-15 of this preview PDF. Unknown Armies is awesome.)

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 22 June 2011 03:11:14PM 5 points [-]

I'm saddened by their use of "should," or maybe "technically."

Etymology is not meaning. In modern English, "mancy" means magic, Greek root be damned.

Comment author: atucker 22 June 2011 06:10:26AM -1 points [-]

If you need fancy Greek roots to play with, may I recommend logos (word, symbol), gnosis (knowledge), noos (mind), or the cluster of menthere (to care) / manthanein (to learn) / mathema (science) / mathematikos — ultimately related to ancient Proto-Indo-European roots meaning "awareness"?

Cool roots.

  • Monnike

  • Noomandros

Apparently, egeiro means awake in Greek, so:

  • Noogerio
Comment author: fubarobfusco 22 June 2011 07:13:45AM 3 points [-]

I am the king of noogies! I am Noogerio!

Comment author: Armok_GoB 23 June 2011 04:44:55PM *  3 points [-]

I don't really think there is ANY word that wouldn't suck, but these are fun so I'll make some anyway.

Cognitor
Bayesian Disciple
Seer of Mind
Timeless (grammar: "He is not only a timeless, but a master of the timeless")
Decider
Rational (As in, saying "I am a Rational." instead of saying "I am a Ratioanlist")
Lwer (pronounced "Elver")
Wielder of the Light Arts
Enlightened
Postsane

One solution might be to use titles that have high correlation to what we mean by a rationalist but isn't exactly the same:

Bayesian
Timeless Decision Theorist
Keeper of Secrets Man Was Never Meant To Know
Inter-universal Broker
Welder of Basilisks
Co-saviour of The Future Lighcone
Correct Contrarian Cluster Cardholder

:p

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 28 June 2011 09:22:55AM 1 point [-]

Probability Wizard!

Comment author: nazgulnarsil 22 June 2011 08:24:35AM *  3 points [-]

I like metamancy a lot in that the word conjures an image of thinking about general methods to divine the future (predictions yay!)

Comment author: magfrump 22 June 2011 07:24:35PM 0 points [-]

I have actually seen "metamancer" used for things like metamagic.

Comment author: ata 22 June 2011 06:05:41AM *  3 points [-]

I thought of "awesomeology" a while ago, and someone else in the NY group independently proposed the same, so it must have some appeal...

(Someone else mentioned that "scientology" would actually be a decent possibility if it weren't already taken.)

I'd like "cognician", if not for the fact that it would sound identical to "cognition" when spoken aloud.

The general problem with coming up with a really cool word for something is that other people might notice that it sounds cool and will try to steal its connotations for unrelated concepts.

Comment author: wedrifid 22 June 2011 05:56:39PM 2 points [-]

I prefer every one of those to 'rationalist'.

Comment author: atucker 22 June 2011 05:56:32AM *  2 points [-]

Fun!

I like a lot of the -mancers too (and apparently the letter n), like cognomancer, and optimancer (mostly because it's so close to optimizer). I think my favorite on your list is cognician.

To throw in some more...

(From the Greek "Nike" for Victory (or, winning):

  • nikosopher

  • nikomancer

  • nikologist

From Aletheia (Greek for Truth):

  • aletheisopher

  • alethologer

From Veritas (Latin for Truth):

  • veritician

  • veritosopher

  • veritimancer

  • veritologer

From ingenium:

  • ingenian

  • wingeneer

And others:

  • noomancer

  • noocian

  • neostoic

I also apparently like the letter n.

Comment author: jsalvatier 22 June 2011 01:01:29PM 3 points [-]

You made me think of: win-gineer.

Comment author: zntneo 28 June 2011 06:35:55PM 0 points [-]

I must say that given that i choose to have my last name be aletheia i so prefer the aletheia based ones :)

Comment author: katydee 23 June 2011 04:32:00AM 1 point [-]

"Cartographer." Or, better yet, nothing at all.

Comment author: knb 22 June 2011 12:22:33PM 1 point [-]

What about psychonomer? Scientiatrist?

Comment author: Zetetic 22 June 2011 08:57:36PM 0 points [-]

Mentat Trainee ;)

Comment author: steven0461 22 June 2011 08:06:48PM 0 points [-]

My suggestions are here.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 22 June 2011 06:38:03AM *  0 points [-]

Comment author: Dorikka 22 June 2011 11:56:27AM 0 points [-]

I can't read this. Is it blank?

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 22 June 2011 03:53:47PM 2 points [-]

Yes. Apparently, one can no longer delete one's owns comments -- even if no one has replied to it -- but one can edit it down to nothing.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 January 2012 09:16:55PM 1 point [-]

I guessed it was an allusion to the twelfth of Eliezer's Twelve Virtues of Rationality.

Comment author: DanielLC 22 June 2011 06:36:13PM 1 point [-]

Just edit it to say "This comment has been deleted."

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 June 2011 07:03:13PM 7 points [-]

... which brings us back to the way it was originally done, but with more effort.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 23 June 2011 04:25:56PM -1 points [-]

No, difference is you can still see WHO said somehting bad. The largest part of a secret is that a secret exists and so on.

Comment author: satt 22 June 2011 05:36:53AM 0 points [-]

Like many others I don't care much for the word 'rationalist', since it comes with lots of preexisting negative connotations.

I kind of like that. A term that starts out with some negative connotations is less likely to be co-opted or overloaded.

Comment author: lemonfreshman 24 June 2011 07:35:40AM 0 points [-]

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