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Oops, I typed 12 when I meant 32. But I think it's positive 32 and 5, not negative, because he says he won.
Try reading it again for the signs. Moreover, when he says that contrarian positions win, he means that they shift people towards them, not that they win outright. This is probably because most people have never heard actual arguments for the contrarian position.