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Global Warming News

10 [deleted] 29 July 2011 12:06PM

A new peer reviewed article came out from NASA showing that the models used to predict temperature changes, and the ecological issues as a result of these changes, greatly differ from observed data.

News Article: http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

Actual Paper: http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603/pdf

Comments (5)

Comment author: FAWS 29 July 2011 01:22:42PM *  2 points [-]

At the time of this comment the title of this post is "Global Warming Not Caused by CO2". I wish I could vote the post down more often. I just read the linked paper and is says nothing of that sort, and can't by its methodology. The paper tries to measure feedback effects and concludes that they can't be measured by the methodology they have chosen, but it looks like they are much lower than assumed in most climate models. They don't, and can't, say anything about the direct effect of CO2.

In essence they take measurements of net radiation flux and of temperature changes and try to figure out which changes which. They call variations in radiation flux not caused by temperature forcing, and those that are caused feedback (since radiation flux is a measure of how much energy is flowing into or out of the system radiation flux changes will always cause temperature changes). They conclude that they can't say anything definite because of the numbers of factors involved ("a variety of parameters other than feedback affecting the lag regression statistics which make accurate feedback diagnosis difficult"), but that it looks like most of the variation can be ascribed to forcing. Forcing would include the direct effect of CO2. Of course the climate models mostly assume strong positive feedback, so absence of such feedback would mean less CO2 caused warming overall, but the current title is a complete mischaracterization of the actual results.

Comment author: falenas108 29 July 2011 01:38:18PM 0 points [-]

Right, sorry. I had only read the news article at the time of making this post, which doesn't say any of the above. Edited to reflect this.

Comment author: gwern 29 July 2011 03:27:01PM 4 points [-]

It is extremely overconfident to take a paper you haven't read and declare it overturns decades of scientific consensus.

Comment author: falenas108 29 July 2011 05:12:20PM *  -1 points [-]

Yes, it was. I was distracted by pretty words like NASA and peer reviewed, and assumed the author of the news article would faithfully report what the paper said. Stupid of me (no sarcasm).