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CarlShulman comments on [LINK] Brief Discussion of Asteroid & Nuclear Risk from paper by Hellman - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: CarlShulman 17 August 2011 10:01:37PM *  5 points [-]

The asteroids vs nukes comparison isn't quite apples-to-apples. "Failure of deterrence" does not necessarily imply human extinction, or temporary collapse of civilization, or most people dying. One needs further premises about escalation, spread, nuclear winter, human social resilience, etc.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 17 August 2011 10:32:13PM 2 points [-]

I agree. If you haven't already done so see my comments at this thread (which I wrote before coming across the article above, HT utility monster). I plan on taking a closer look at the nuclear winter issue in particular (which seems unusually susceptible to quantification).

Comment author: jhuffman 19 August 2011 03:04:04PM 1 point [-]

Nuclear Autumn seems much more likely. This article does a soft comparison of likely nuclear exchange scenarios with the K-T strike. I haven't looked up their references but they sound applicable.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 20 August 2011 11:48:32PM 0 points [-]

Thanks

Comment author: satt 24 August 2011 07:52:52PM 2 points [-]

That Skeptoid article's references are quite old. Encyclopedia of Earth's nuclear winter article discusses more recent scientific work.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 24 August 2011 07:54:45PM 1 point [-]

Thanks to you too!

Comment author: CarlShulman 18 August 2011 12:08:27AM 0 points [-]

HT utility monster

Didn't I tell you about the Hellman piece in SF?

Comment author: multifoliaterose 18 August 2011 01:07:12AM *  0 points [-]

If you did I have no memory of it; maybe you pointed it out to utilitymonster when he was in SF? He just sent me a link to the piece today.

Comment author: CarlShulman 18 August 2011 01:24:06AM 0 points [-]

I pointed it out to utilitymonster a number of months ago, when he was not in SF. No worries.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 17 August 2011 10:37:23PM 0 points [-]

Note also that Hellman's calculation (however rough) is for a Cuban Missile crisis type scenario which would be more likely to escalate/spread than e.g. a terrorist attack.