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Comment author: sam0345 03 September 2011 03:04:50AM 2 points [-]

Five years ago, people might have held up Ireland and Iceland as well-governed successful small countries.

Iceland and ireland, like a great many other countries, allowed their banks to behave irresponsibly. When the banks imploded, Ireland bailed them out, and made incompetent and criminal bankers entirely whole. Iceland took the other extreme, declared the bankers broke, and told the creditors to take a hike.

If one is doing something badly wrong, the other is probably doing something right. They are unlikely to both be badly run.

Comment author: asr 03 September 2011 03:15:49AM 4 points [-]

Iceland and ireland, like a great many other countries, allowed their banks to behave irresponsibly.

This, right here, is the evidence that their governments weren't quite as effective as we thought beforehand.

If one is doing something badly wrong, the other is probably doing something right.

This doesn't follow. It might be that both, one, or neither have responded sensibly to the crisis. Different circumstances call for different measures, and all that. And "bail out" or "let fail" isn't the complete universe of policy measures.

Comment author: sam0345 04 September 2011 05:53:47AM 3 points [-]

Iceland and ireland, like a great many other countries, allowed their banks to behave irresponsibly.

This, right here, is the evidence that their governments weren't quite as effective as we thought beforehand.

As compared to all those countries where wise regulators ensured wise bankers.

Comment author: asr 05 September 2011 03:25:01AM 3 points [-]

As compared to all those countries where wise regulators ensured wise bankers.

There are countries that did much better -- Canada, for instance, avoided a banking crisis. There are also countries that seem to have handled it better, such as the Baltic states.

Just to be clear: I'm not saying necessarily that I know what the optimal thing to do was, in 2007-2009. What I'm arguing is that it's often unclear for a long time how well a given country's policies have worked, since negative consequences don't always become visible quickly.