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Comment author: jhuffman 16 September 2011 04:42:36PM *  2 points [-]

I disagree. I think the Vietnam war does loom very large in American's consciousness. It is the counterpoint to WW II. I remember Cheney complaining in an interview that no one could even wait for the Iraq war to be underway before asking "is it Vietnam yet?". In fact there was a LOT of vocal skepticism about the war in Iraq before it started and as it unfolded.

Comment author: lessdazed 16 September 2011 05:12:47PM 1 point [-]

Do people think of that war as anti-just, non-just, not-just-enough, or just but lost? I think many see it as each of those four.

Comment author: jhuffman 16 September 2011 05:29:52PM 0 points [-]

Yes I think all of those are pretty common views, although the question of justness itself maybe isn't so important in terms of an enduring reaction to that war. To the extent Vietnam was still on people's minds at the beginning of this century perhaps it was as a more generalized example of many ways in which a war can become confounded and much more costly than we would like to think possible. Before Vietnam who could have thought a small country of such limited resources could successfully defy the greatest superpower ever known to the world?

In contrast at the start of the Iraq war most people knew it was at least possible, and it seems more than one apologist for the war had to answer the question of "how Iraq isn't Vietnam". By this time we knew that simply calculating the strategic simplicity with which we would dominate the seas, skies and (broadly) land was insufficient.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 September 2011 08:00:34PM 1 point [-]

Before Vietnam who could have thought a small country of such limited resources could successfully defy the greatest superpower ever known to the world?

To be fair, said country was being backed by the second greatest superpower in the world.