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PhilGoetz comments on Willpower and diet: advice? - Less Wrong Discussion

2 Post author: Swimmer963 21 September 2011 05:54PM

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 23 September 2011 10:12:37PM 0 points [-]

They're not wrong about what they want unless they say that they want to keep their jobs more than they want to take drugs.

"Want" is useful because often people can't do what they want, or haven't yet done what they want; and we need to be able to talk about want as a causative factor for doing.

The drug addict who says she wants to keep her job is just like the voter who says he wants lower taxes. It's true, but irrelevant.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 September 2011 12:39:56AM 0 points [-]

often people can't do what they want

You use "want" this way here, but then seem to deny this very usage to addicts (or to anyone who does not have organizational and motivational capacity to get what they "want").

It's true, but irrelevant.

Okay. A claim of irrelevancy is very different from a claim about truth, and truth is what you seemed to imply in the original comment:

You do what you want to do. (jmed: This entails Swimmer is wrong if she claims she wants to lose weight and doesn't/hasn't, a truth claim, not a relevancy claim.)

That said, I disagree that it is irrelevant, and you do, too, or else you wouldn't give her tips on how to make her second-order wants into first-order wants.