You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

Sewing-Machine comments on Syntacticism - Less Wrong Discussion

-3 Post author: ec429 23 September 2011 06:49AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (62)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 September 2011 06:20:03AM 0 points [-]

There's very little in that I disagree with. In particular I think "winning" is a fine summary of what probability is for. But there is nothing for you to win when assigning a probability to a claim that has no testable consequences--winning is a testable consequence.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 September 2011 06:55:59AM -1 points [-]

There's very little in that I disagree with.

Just the most fundamental part:

My position: Any ways of defining terms such that assigning probabilities to "a proof exists" is forbidden is a broken way to define such terms. It neither matches the intuitive way we use the language nor constitutes a useful way to carve up reality.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 September 2011 04:14:16PM 0 points [-]

Serious question: what's special about the phrase "a proof exists" that requires you to assign a probability to it? Presumably there are some grammatically correct assertions that you don't feel should have numbers attached to them.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 September 2011 04:24:49PM -1 points [-]

I don't consider "can have probabilities assigned" to be an exception that requires a special case. It gets treated the same as any other logical uncertainty. You can either handle logical uncertainty or you can't.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 September 2011 04:27:45PM *  -1 points [-]

I don't understand. You're saying you do have a prior probability for every grammatically correct assertion?

Comment author: wedrifid 25 September 2011 05:25:07PM *  -1 points [-]

You're saying you do have a prior probability for every grammatically correct assertion?

No, that isn't something I've said.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 September 2011 05:43:54PM 0 points [-]

Then what is it about the assertion "a proof exists" that calls out to have a number attached to it? Why is it similar to "a written proof will exist by tomorrow noon" and not similar to "the exquisite corpse will drink the new wine"?

Comment author: wedrifid 25 September 2011 10:02:48PM *  -1 points [-]

In case it wasn't clear, I rejected this line of reasoning. "A proof exists" is not a special case that needs justification.

Please refer to my first few comments on the subject. They constitute everything I wish to say on the (rather unimportant) subject of whether "a proof exists" is permitted. I don't expect this conversation to produce any new insights.