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lessdazed comments on Guardian Angels: Discrete Extrapolated Volitions - Less Wrong Discussion

0 Post author: lessdazed 25 September 2011 10:51PM

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Comment author: lessdazed 26 September 2011 03:32:12AM *  1 point [-]

One crazy nihilist

A more convenient possible world was alluded to when I asked about excluding some individuals.

equilibrium

Only if

No merging?

A single AI would be much better

Maybe, but I had also asked about the relative difficulty of calculating CEV and DEV. If DEV is easier, perhaps possible rather than impossible, that's an advantage of it.

one of the AIs would probably succeed in destroying the others; cybersecurity so far has been a decisive win for offense.

War is a risk, it includes the possibility of mutual destruction, particularly if offense is more powerful. You don't think they'd merge resources and values instead of risking it?

empathy...lose out in any contentions over scarce resources

Most likely scenario I agree, still less than probable,

Comment author: jimrandomh 26 September 2011 03:51:05AM 1 point [-]

War is a risk, it includes the possibility of mutual destruction, particularly if offense is more powerful. You don't think they'd merge resources and values instead of risking it?

Cyberwar is different than regular war in that all competently performed attacks are inherently anonymous. Attacks performed very competently are also undetectable. This is very destabilizing. And it gets worse; while AIs might try to get around this by all merging together, none of them would be able to prove they hadn't hidden a copy of themselves somewhere.

Comment author: lessdazed 26 September 2011 01:16:09PM 2 points [-]

I don't think undetectability solves things. Offensive subsystems could survive their creator's demise like two people in a grenade lobbing fight.

Suppose all hid a copy, the merged AI would still be more powerful than any hidden copies, and if it was destroyed everyone would be a small copy again. If there were many AIs, an individual would be banking on its ability to defeat a much larger entity. Offense is more powerful on most scales and technological levels but not by incomprehensible orders of magnitude.