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Hmm. Last I checked, I do care about animals, regardless of signalling -- indeed, I often take a bit of a signal-hit when people see me help beetles safely across a street, or spend time cosing up to an orangutan through the glass at the zoo (thereby rendering him less-viewable by the other patrons, even though he's primarily responding to a familiar presence and displays no interest in anyone else).
There's very little sense of signalling virtue -- I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, I don't adhere to any religion with specific rules about the treatment of animals; I certainly don't find it to enhance my cooperation with other people (some people admire it, but an awful lot of them find it a bit weird or kooky).
I learned something new in the process of finding you a bit weird and kooky, and thereby no longer do. So, upvoted.
(I wasn't sure if beetles even had brains, which seemed somehow relevant to their moral standing, so I looked it up- and what do you know, nociception has been demonstrated in insects.)
(And beetles do have brains. Sort of.)
Yeah, insects have brains. And pain. Many have some degree of personality differentiation, even if the space of possible variance is pretty narrow compared to humans. I certainly can't prevent most of the insects of the world from experiencing what is, to them, a hideously painful death (and indeed, have sometimes hastened that process for crickets when feeding them to pet mantises), but when I see a little dermestid beetle crawling around where it'll certainly be hit by a car, my impulse is to save it. To the extent I'm interested in justifying that, it's that I can make a difference here and now for this organism, and want to do so.
Me, internally: No way that's true. But, well, just in case...
(five minutes of googling)
I'm learning all sorts of new stuff today!
That sounds like a perfectly valid reason to me.